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The Problem Is Conservatives' Acceptance of Progressive Government
American Thinker ^ | October 1, 2016 | Scott Lazarowitz

Posted on 10/01/2016 12:07:05 PM PDT by Kaslin

Many conservatives are frustrated with our society's lack of acceptance of conservatism into the mainstream. But it's not because of Republican Party weakness or a failure in political strategy, as some conservatives such as Steve Deace suggest on talk radio and among the Internet and TV pundit class.

The problem is because conservatives have abandoned the true moral principles underlying a civilized society: private property, free exchange, and individual liberty.

Starting about a century ago conservatives began to surrender their moral principles to the progressives' collectivist schemes, including the income tax, FDR's New Deal, LBJ's Great Society and the idea of "civil rights." Even before the 20th century a child's education was usurped from parents, and conservatives have accepted government schooling, or government-authorized private schooling, ever since.

Many people have been conditioned, however, to rationalize those kinds of compulsory government schemes.

In the conservatives' caving to progressive ideology for a century, they have obediently accepted the income tax, which is a form of institutionalized theft.

Compulsory taxation is theft because it is involuntary. The government uses threats against the people to coerce them to forfeit a certain amount of their income to bureaucrats.

In contrast, the private producers and businesses of society must depend on the voluntary payments to them by consumers for goods and services. If it is immoral of businessmen to demand payments involuntarily (in which case the businessmen would be called "gangsters," or "thugs"), then it is immoral for anyone to do that.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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1 posted on 10/01/2016 12:07:05 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

`Belated Barf alert


2 posted on 10/01/2016 12:09:39 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They have a plan, we don’t.


3 posted on 10/01/2016 12:11:22 PM PDT by JPJones (George Washington's Tariffs were Patriotic. Build a Wall and Build a Wall of tariffs.)
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To: Kaslin

Stopped reading right there:
“But it’s not because of Republican Party weakness or a failure in political strategy”.

Clueless RINO writer.


4 posted on 10/01/2016 12:13:08 PM PDT by MarchonDC09122009 (When is our next march on DC? When have we had enough?)
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To: Kaslin

This is why I don’t use the word anymore.

Traditionalist, yes. Reactionary, probably. I don’t want to “conserve” the Leviathan that FDR built.


5 posted on 10/01/2016 12:13:46 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Kaslin

Yes!

I don’t know what “conservative is but it seems to imply keeping the status quo. Well, the status quo is unconstitutional federal government which by definition is tyranny. Too many “conservatives” seem to accept this government tyranny. There is also such a thing as the “tyranny of the status quo” which in this case works in concert with federal tyranny.

Freepers and Lovers of liberty around the country need to latch on to the idea that...

THE #1 ISSUE AND GREATEST THREAT TO AMERICA IS THE MOSTLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL $4 TRILLION FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 80% of which MUST be dismantled to make America free, prosperous, and happy again.


6 posted on 10/01/2016 12:14:44 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Kaslin

The problem is because conservatives have abandoned the true moral principles.....

In the conservatives’ caving to progressive ideology .....

Step away form the bottle and keyboard. You are not in any mental condition to write!!


7 posted on 10/01/2016 12:16:31 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: MarchonDC09122009

The writer is a libertarian not a Republican


8 posted on 10/01/2016 12:18:05 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I used to get annoyed by this type of stuff. I have now come to accept big government progressive policies. It’s a stage all Western democracies seem to go through before running out of money. It will all sort itself out in the near future when government finances become squeezed. Until then we have to fight against it but recognize its probably a losing battle. Don’t worry though, the day of reckoning is only about one economic cycle away.


9 posted on 10/01/2016 12:19:02 PM PDT by Scottishlibertarian
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To: Kaslin

The main problem is that many who call themselves conservative are really progressives with R jerseys on.
The entire Bush family for instance.


10 posted on 10/01/2016 12:23:55 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: Kaslin
I'm not a Republican. I'm a conservative. 'Nuff said.

And on many points, I think the author hits the nail on the head.

11 posted on 10/01/2016 12:27:40 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Kaslin

A Donald Trump hit piece... This is a rope a dope article to convince conservatives not to vote for Trump.

This is even though Trump has the most Republican Primary votes ever. This is when it was split 17 ways too.

Oh and never mind Hillary, the Supreme Court and the Globalist threat.

Where was Scott in 2012, 2008 and 2000 election.

Yeah you forgot mention BARF ALERT.


12 posted on 10/01/2016 12:37:30 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Kaslin

Another neverTrumper indulging in a libertarian fantasy to rationalize his own position.

He seems primarily focused on income taxes and he’s blaming ‘conservatives’ for surrendering to them. Well I don’t know about ‘conservatives’ but Republicans were certainly a driving force behind the income tax.

First with Lincoln’s income tax until it was tossed by the Supreme Court, then a second and more successful time with Teddy Roosevelt and William Taft who had the bill ready for Woodrow Wilson’s signature.

Regardless of how it came about it was seen by much of the country as being more fair than the tariffs that it began to replace- the burden was shifted off of little producers and initially only affected the wealthy.

Prior to WWII the government was taking in a dramatically smaller portion of the GDP than what we have been used to since. FDR’s programs consumed something in the neighborhood of 6% of the GDP. Postwar American gov’t has been regularly consuming 18%-22% of the GDP IIRC.

You aren’t going to be a global military power without a means of paying for it. Prior to Lyndon Johnson the major portion of federal spending was military related, domestic ‘entitlement’ spending only began outstrip military spending with the Great Society.


13 posted on 10/01/2016 12:39:17 PM PDT by Pelham (DLM. Deplorable Lives Matter)
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To: Kaslin

Trump is not a conservative, but he is a giant reset button of the pattern that has been the template since 1933: massive expansion of government under the Democrats, followed by GOP failure to retract Democrat expansion, even under Reagan, for the most part.


14 posted on 10/01/2016 12:39:27 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Wallace T.

If G H W Bush, George W Bush, Jeb Bush, John McCain, Lindesy Graham, Jeff Flake, etc are conservatives then thank goodness Trump is not one of those.


15 posted on 10/01/2016 12:49:40 PM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam , Know Peace)
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To: Pelham

“You aren’t going to be a global military power”

Wars are simply impossible to win.

Europeans gave up trying after 1945.

The invaders now come not with guns in arms but with children in arms and they head straight towards the welfare offices.

We need to hold welfare spending at 10% of the income tax base, basically a tithe along the Ben Carson proposal.

I think 10% is enough for all genuine need.

Many “conservatives” are Christians, which causes political conflict.


16 posted on 10/01/2016 12:58:30 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kaslin
Compulsory taxation is theft because it is involuntary.

Just taxation is an obligation, not theft. The problem comes when the government demands taxation beyond the just obligations of the state. We have gone well past that point.

17 posted on 10/01/2016 12:59:29 PM PDT by Petrosius
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Taxation is actually meant for the financial support of the government, not individuals or households.

The Founding Fathers knew well of the troubles of Rome that came from welfare handouts.


18 posted on 10/01/2016 1:02:01 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Kaslin

“private producers and businesses of society” with their greed ans support for cheap labor their refusal to invest in media and their treachery in “working with the Democrats” are the reason we are in this mess. They damn well ought to pay taxes and they ought to pay everything they earned from cheap immigrant labor in taxes,All the money they needed to invest in media to combat the left that money also should go in taxes since they would not spend it. And also since they demand tax cuts for business and then turn around and put on their Chamber of Commerce hat and ask their congressmen for “their share” of the federal loot that ought also to go in taxes. You can’t win when you just let people stab you in the back.


19 posted on 10/01/2016 1:07:53 PM PDT by amnestynone (We are asked by people who do not tolerate us to tolerate the intolerable in the name of tolerance.)
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To: Kaslin
Hillary's Progressive "plans" are in direct opposition to the U. S. Constitution's intended protections for each individual citizen's rights--from the right to Creator-life and the liberty to pursue "happiness," to property rights, which result from that person's labor.

Of course, she sees "baskets" of groups from whom she has a right to "redistribute" their earnings in order to buy votes from her "chosens."

Private Property Rights – A basic Premise Of America’s Constitution

Tired of having the fruits of their labors confiscated by an overpowering British government, America’s Founders declared themselves free and independent.

Most American schoolchildren can recite their claim that “. all men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights … to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.” Less familiar, however, are these lines from their Declaration of Independence:

“He ( King George III ) has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance …. He has combined with others to subject us, … imposing taxes on us without our consent.”

What, then, did the Founders consider to be the real cornerstone of man’s liberty and happiness? On what basic premise did they devise their Constitution? Let them speak for themselves:

“The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God … anarchy and tyranny commence. PROPERTY MUST BE SECURED OR LIBERTY CANNOT EXIST”-John Adams

“Government is instituted to protect property of every sort …. This being the end of government, that is NOT a just government,… nor is property secure under it, where the property which a man has … is violated by arbitrary seizures of one class of citizens for the service of the rest.”-James Madison

Their guiding principle was that people come together to form governments in order to SECURE their rights to property – not to create an entity which will, itself, “take from the mouths of labor the bread it has earned.” What was wrong for individual citizens to do to one another, they believed, was equally wrong for government to do to them.

The right to own property and to keep the rewards of individual labor opened the floodgates of progress for the benefit of the entire human race. Millions have fled other countries to participate in the Miracle of America.


Footnote: Our Ageless Constitution, W. David Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Editors (Asheboro, NC, W. David Stedman Associates, 1987) Part III: ISBN 0-937047-01-5

20 posted on 10/01/2016 1:10:15 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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