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Brian Kilmeade: How Thomas Jefferson abandoned diplomacy and changed US history
Fox News.com ^ | October 16, 2016 | Brian Kilmeade

Posted on 10/17/2016 5:40:47 AM PDT by Kaslin

In 1786, Thomas Jefferson, then a minister to the French government of Louis XVI, had a concern more intimidating than anything else he’d faced before: the threat of pirates off the coast of North Africa, a region known as the Barbary Coast.

These pirates had already taken over two American ships, the Dauphin and the Maria, plundering their goods and taking their crews hostage. Unfortunately, this was a common fate for ships venturing near the area, where the Sahara’s arid coast was divided into four Islamic nation-states. Running west to east were the Barbary nations Morocco, Algiers, Tunis, and Tripoli, which all fell under the ultimate authority of the Ottoman Empire, seated in present-day Turkey.

These nations had preyed upon foreign shipping for centuries, attacking ships international waters both in the Mediterranean and along the northwest coast of Africa and the Iberian Peninsula. Even such naval powers as France and Great Britain were not immune, though they chose to deal with the problem by paying annual tributes of “gifts” to the Barbary leaders—bribes paid to the Barbary states to persuade the pirates to leave merchant ships from the paying countries alone. But the prices were always changing, and the ships of those nations that did not meet the extortionate demands were not safe from greedy pirates.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: africa; briankilmeade; ebarbarycoast; history; iberianpeninsula; islam; muslims; pirates; presidents; thomasjefferson

1 posted on 10/17/2016 5:40:47 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Thomas Jefferson did a lot of diplomacy. Some brilliant (Louisiana purchase seems like a pretty good idea), some insane (the Embargo Act - which cut off trade w Europe totally wrecked the economy)


2 posted on 10/17/2016 5:46:48 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

If the embargo act included imports it would have been a long term success.


3 posted on 10/17/2016 5:53:31 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

To the Shores Of Tripoli
Marines be there
So was Old Iron Sides


4 posted on 10/17/2016 5:56:02 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: Kaslin

From the halls of montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.....


5 posted on 10/17/2016 6:02:25 AM PDT by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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To: Kaslin

I listened to the audiobook and it was packed with good historical facts, but Kilmeade’s reading style very nearly caused me to shut it off within the first five minutes. He seems to be yelling the story instead of simply reading. Very distracting . . . but it matches his arrogance on air.


6 posted on 10/17/2016 6:33:52 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

arrogant conservative?

no


7 posted on 10/17/2016 6:36:19 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hilary is an Ameriphobe)
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To: Kaslin

Jefferson didn’t get into nation building and changing the government either.


8 posted on 10/17/2016 6:41:48 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: bert

I sure never called him a conservative. He is a Faux puppet.


9 posted on 10/17/2016 6:51:35 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Kaslin

According to the Qur’an, Abdrahaman explained, “all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful ( Muslims ) to plunder and enslave.”

Christian were, plain and simple, fair game.


10 posted on 10/17/2016 6:58:25 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: central_va
If the embargo act included imports it would have been a long term success.

The way North Korea is a "success?"

11 posted on 10/17/2016 7:01:51 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

you are wrong


12 posted on 10/17/2016 7:11:41 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Hilary is an Ameriphobe)
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To: bert

15-20 years ago I looked forward to Fox and Friends every morning until they became a variety show and an entertainment venue. Brian can play the role of a conservative as well as any of them, but I’ll take Sean Hannity.


13 posted on 10/17/2016 7:37:31 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: bert

Anyway, my original point was lost . . . I enjoyed the data that the book provided - just not the narrator’s style - which, to me, was arrogant. I did not even go to whether he is a ‘good’ conservative or not.


14 posted on 10/17/2016 8:20:34 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx D)
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To: Alter Kaker
The Tariff Act of 1789 was successful beyond belief. The USA become an industrial powerhouse behind a steep wall of import tariffs. The USA funded the government with tariffs and other consumption taxes up to 1913. Then the income tax kicked in. Socialist love income taxes. Do you love them too or are you now set straight as to the value and purpose of tariffs?

You should read some history, it is very enlightening. Quit listening to Free Traitor lies.

15 posted on 10/17/2016 12:18:25 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Reading is fundamental. I'm not talking about tariffs and I wasn't talking about the Tariff Act of 1789, I was talking about the Embargo Act of 1807. The Embargo Act wasn't a tariff. It was an Embargo. It didn't impose a tariff or some other kind of consumption tax, it completely outlawed trade. And it wrecked the economy.

Also, even though Jefferson opposed a strong centralized government in theory, the federal government wound up assuming vast powers in order to enforce the Embargo - something any decent conservative ought to have opposed.

16 posted on 10/17/2016 12:38:46 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker

You need to read up on the Embargo Act. It only embargoed EXPORTS which I agree is crazy. That way the USA couldn’t be accused of taking sides.


17 posted on 10/17/2016 12:41:44 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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