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To: Windflier; b4me

Well, my liberal relative and I have not discussed politics at all during all the Obama years - because we both realized it was hopeless to try to “talk the other one out of what they believed”.

But when she said that I didn’t recognize the grief and fear that Trump’s opponents were experiencing, I just had to respond and it has led to going back and forth with links and stories. SIGH.


47 posted on 11/15/2016 11:18:05 PM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
But when she said that I didn’t recognize the grief and fear that Trump’s opponents were experiencing...

It could be ponted out that we felt "grief and fear" in 2008 and 2012, when Obama was elected. So I think it's unfair for a liberal to assume that this is the first election in history to result in "grief and fear," or that their "grief and fear" is more valid than mine.

55 posted on 11/15/2016 11:34:43 PM PST by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

did you have fear of obama’s win 2008 and again 2012?

I sure did. if you did maybe help them see that, tell them the things you feared of him that he did do, from big things to all little (obama so ill prepared to be president, has Valerie Jarrett and other extreme muslim sympathizers in high positions in govt Muslim attacks in this country, he said muslim call to prayer most beautiful sound and yet he does;t seem to reverence our own nations traditions, bloating Govt jobs, destabilizing middle east, more countries hate us, border/illegals making our country less safe costing us more, huge debt Fed printing money to cover the fact, etc this is all under obama)

Maybe coming form the angle of you under stand fear of a new president with such differing views. If they are still freaked out, or they prefers globalization, not much else you can do but tell them you love them and you’ll keep in touch but prefer not to talk politics. Pray for them.


58 posted on 11/15/2016 11:39:43 PM PST by b4me (If Jesus came to set us free, why are so many professed Believers still in chains?)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Sorry to hear that she sucked you into her psychosis.

About all you can do is remind her that liberals across America were feeling just like this in November of 1980. It was all for naught. Reagan made America great for everyone, and so will President Trump.


63 posted on 11/15/2016 11:43:43 PM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Cut her loose. You’ll be much happier. Besides you cannot reason with anyone who lies unto themselves... ...and then believes that very lie.


79 posted on 11/16/2016 1:24:49 AM PST by snuffy smiff (Blessed be the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle...)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

> recognize the grief and fear

In 2008 and 2012, I had genuine grief and fear. I was told by relatives and media all would be just lovely.

The only people who cared about my fears were my wife and people here on FR.

When I and thousands attended peaceful tea party rallies, I was called so many names, told to sit down and shut up, told ‘we have to pass it to see what’s in it’, and informed that no one cared about our fears.

In 2016, I just don’t give a ats rass how these agitators feel or how the presstitutes characterize these anti-democracy riots.

I refuse to call them ‘Trump protests’. They aren’t.


81 posted on 11/16/2016 2:09:09 AM PST by ri4dc (I am Deplorable. Trump is with me. Cable free since 1998. MAGA for all.)
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