‘It will blow up’: fears Myanmar's deadly crackdown on Muslims will spiral out of control

The Guardian ^ | 17 Nov 2016 | Poppy McPherson

[Cronos]

...Rohingya in the camps, where tens of thousands have been confined since communal violence in 2012, have stopped gathering in groups to avoid attracting suspicion. In at least one village they were ordered to demolish fences surrounding their homes.

There is good reason to be afraid. A few dozen miles north, in northern Rakhine’s Maungdaw township, a conflict is raging between the military and the Rohingya population. A series of deadly attacks on security forces by a group apparently supported by members of the diaspora has raised the spectre of a new insurgency. It has also prompted a severe crackdown.

The army has framed the fighting, which broke out on 9 October after nine police and five soldiers were killed at three border posts, as an “invasion” and announced plans to train and arm Buddhist civilians to protect their villages.

... The authorities consider Rohingya to be illegal immigrants from Bangladesh, although many trace their heritage in Myanmar for generations.

Meanwhile, videos posted online by a group calling itself the Faith Movement show a contingent of young men, and some boys, armed with swords and some guns, claiming to be Rohingya freedom fighters.

According to analysts from the Terrorism Research and Analysis Consortium (Trac), at least seven videos were posted between 10 and 27 October. None mention Aqa-Mul-Mujahidin or Haviz Tohar. Instead, some introduce a “chief” named as Abu Ammar Junooni, a bearded man sitting in the centre of a small band of men.

“Each video calls for an armed struggle,” says Veryan Khan, editorial director at Trac, while three “specifically call for a jihad”.

..In a statement published a few days after October’s attacks, the government blamed a previously unknown armed group of “extremists”, Aqa-Mul-Mujahidin, whose leader, named as Haviz Tohar, allegedly trained with the Pakistani Taliban.

[Cronos]

IslamIs at warwith everyone. Remember that they destroyed the oldest university in the world (Nalanda) which is now in Pakistan but was once a center of Buddhism.

[Talisker]

The world is still in denial about what Muslims are.

But that will end, because Muslims won’t stop murdering.

Then, one day, a critical point will be reached, and there will be a pause. And then, shortly thereafter, Muslims will end, because they will cease to exist on this planet.

[Steely Tom]

"By fighting back, you only make them stronger!"

— A moment in pretty much every SF movie from the '50s

(which, ironically, was the era in which Joe McCarthy was trying to fight the infiltration into our government of thousands of people who wanted to weaken and destroy America)

[BeadCounter]

Saw this posted the other day about that situation: http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/asia/2016/11/13/Satellite-images-show-Myanmar-Muslim-villages-torched-.html

And I read another story that even in China, they have about 20 million Muslims in one province, the Uighurs.

[JennysCool]

“Spiral out of control” = “Be effective.”

[Steely Tom]

And I read another story that even in China, they have about 20 million Muslims in one province, the Uighurs.

In a few years, the Chinese government could well be telling us that that estimate is very much exaggerated, that the actual number of Uighurs is more like 20, not 20 million.

History could repeat itself.

[Cronos]

The Western world....

Central Europe (Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Serbia, Romania, Bulgaria), Russia, India, China, Burma, Thailand have no such delusions...

[Cronos]

Uighuristan or East Turkestan or Xinjian province is a difficult one to consider.

The Uighurs are the descendents of:

• Early East Irani peoples like Sogdians, Bactrians
• Tocharians, another branch of the Indo-European peoples
• Turkic peoples who invaded around the 3rd century AD)

They were initially Turkic-shamanistic religion following, then became Manichaen, then Nestorian Christian (yes, you got that right, they were Christians owing allegiance to the CAtholicos of Ctestiphon (Baghdad) when, in the 8th century, that Church (the ancient church of the East or the Assyrian/Chaldean Church) had 33% of the world's Christians, spread from Iraq to Mongolia (Naiman tribe -- Genghis Khan's wife was Christian) to India (MarThomite Christians in Kerala).

They gradually converted to Islam in the 10th to 14th century, mostly peacefully and adopted sufiism

They were conquered by the Manchu after the Manchu/Jurchen conquered China in the 17th century forming the Qing dynasty.

They are not Han Chinese by looks, language, race, culture or history.

Even the Tibetans are closer related to the Han Chinese than the Uighurs.

this is a conquered nation and one where the locals are being pushed out by government promotion of Han Chinese.

But, they are Moslems, so I don't know who to support quite frankly in this case.

[Cronos]

Steely Tom is correct — the Chinese have a reputation for brutal genocide — in the 17th and 18th century they wiped out an entire people — the Dzungarians.

[tjd1454]

See my book: Apocalypse Rising: Chaos in the Middle East, the Fall of Europe, and other signs of the End Times.

[BuffaloJack]

Burma was once the center of the Buddhist religion.
The term Pagan comes from the ancient Buddhist Capital City of Pagan.
I can see why they aren’t enamored with Islam.
Myanmar might be a very tyrannical communist regime, but its citizens are Buddhist in their souls.
I wish them well in their quest for elimination of Islam from their country.

[trebb]

Yeah - lack of resistance is always the way to keep others from overthrowing you - just ask Neville....

[arthurus]

The Burmese understand. In the Islamic War there is no civilian population. All are soldiers of Mahomet or are training to be.

[ThanhPhero]

Myanmar is an anomaly in that Buddhists do not generally fight on their own. They do not resist. They do not resist their enemies unless they are drafted into the military. They also do not resist that draft and they fight as members of the army. In Myanmar at least some Buddhists have taken self defense personally and are doing what every Infidel group must eventually do to survive.

[Wneighbor]

Thank you for the brief history. Always up for a new history lesson here.

[T-Bone Texan]

Thanks for the background.

[bert]

yep

[Cronos]

Sorry, no, the statements in your post are wrong:

1. "Burma was once the center of the buddhist religion" - not really. The center of Buddhism until the 8th century was Nalanda -- current Pakistan.

2. "Pagan comes from teh ancient Buddhist capital city of Pagan" -- actually pagan comes from 1325-75; Middle English < Medieval Latin, Late Latin pāgānus ‘worshiper of false gods’, orig. ‘civilian’ (i.e., not a soldier of Christ), Latin: ‘peasant’, noun use of pāgānus ‘rural, civilian’, derivative of pāgus ‘village, rural district’ (akin to pangere ‘to fix, make fast’); see -an

The rest I agree -- they do not like slam and want to eliminate it from their country

[Cronos]

An anomaly in the dimension of time, yes, but not today — the Sri Lankan buddhists are also fighters againstIslam

[Cronos]

Here is a map of the Ancient Church of the East (Assyrian church)

Timur-e-Lang committed genocide against them in the name of Islam.

He wiped out 5% of humanity, in the name of Islam