Posted on 12/14/2016 4:44:15 PM PST by disclaimer
Thousands of drunk, belligerent fans jumping up and down and going nuts when the good guys score, what could possibly go wrong.
You have a mob scene leaving a sports venue. Think about several fans going off on opposing rival fans.
What’s your point. “Going off” on rival fans is illegal. Allowing law abiding citizens to arm themselves for self defense will not legalize assault, attempted murder or murder.
How many stories have you read about where rival fans went after each other or one group beat up on another rival? So instead of the home team beating up on a visiting team fan like in LA a while back they or a bunch of them haul out their guns and start blasting each other. It’s not anything to do with arming for self defense; the story is about allowing people to carry in stadiums. You figure it out.
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I'm not in favor of lawless zones - how did this become acceptable?
Thugs willing to commit assault aren't lawful conceal carriers anyway.
Again it was all about allowing CW’s into sports venues. I’m just saying is there are plenty of stories out there how fans were beaten up by rival’s. My thoughts were what the heck would happen when several groups get into it outside after a game and have at it but this time with guns.
the fans that get into those kinds of altercations are habitual law breakers, a CCW holder doesn’t just flip and join those ranks
I have figured it out.
One either believes in individual freedom and self-determination, or one does not. I believe in them.
Living in a free society involves accepting some level of risk. I do not believe that a small potential increase in safety is worth the loss of freedom.
It had nothing to do with the citizens right to bear arms. It was taking those arms into a sports venue where emotions run high. That’s all I’m saying.
The Bill of Rights, including the First and Second Amendments, are limits on the powers of government, not private individuals.
An individual's private property is just that, and said individual has every right to set policies on the bearing of arms thereon, and I'm not aware of any court case which has ever said otherwise.
It's patently ludicrous to assert that a person can't set such policies regarding those who they allow onto their own private property...
That's not necessarily true. I'm sure there are cases involving government subsidy wherein the owner retains full private property rights. Receiving a subsidy certainly doesn't automatically constitute an automatic waiver of such rights.
I have figured it out.
One either believes in individual freedom and self-determination, or one does not. I believe in them.
Living in a free society involves accepting some level of risk. I do not believe that a small potential increase in safety is worth the loss of freedom.
in your opinion, how many different venues would have be allowed to ban guns before it did have to do with the right to bear arms.
Again. This was all about the story of letting people with guns into sports venues. It had nothing to do with the right to bear arms or that right being taken away. PERIOD.
I suppose State laws vary, but in Virginia, with some exceptions, if the stadium/venue avails itself of public funds, then the state gun laws regarding carrying in public places apply.
Schools are one of he exceptions. But not many professional sports teams play at school stadiums or arenas.
Keep telling yourself that.
But you did not answer my question. How many different places should be allowed to ban guns before you start considering the ban(s) a gun rights issue? You’re already up to one.
Shall not be infringed is clearly to mean by the government.
Exactly and apparently these people who agree with this dumb idea is that the difference between a stadium and say a college campus is that at the stadium everyone goes through a security screening. Thus getting guns into the stadium is difficult to say the least. Getting a gun into a classroom is a piece of cake.
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