Skip to comments.Dreaming of leaving: How California can wave goodbye to the USA
Posted on 12/16/2016 2:00:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Abraham Lincolns election in 1860 led South Carolina to try to secede from the Union. Donald Trumps election last month has raised similar talk in California, known as the California Independence Campaign.
Billionaire activist Tom Steyer said in that aftermath of the election that, Its impossible to look at the Trump campaign and not see a direct threat to the civil liberties and dignity of California citizens.
The leftist anti-constitutionalist Jeff Rosen is also touting States Rights for the Left in a recent opinion piece.
California cant secede. The Civil War settled that. But there are other potential avenues by which the Golden State can leave the Union: unanimous consent, retrocession, and deannexation.
California might be able to exit theoretically and certainly could practically if nobody objected. Lincoln himself entertained this possibility in his first inaugural address. If the Union were but an association of States, in the nature of contract merely, he suggested, it could be peaceably unmade by unanimous consent of all the States.
Lincoln was speaking arguendo (for the sake of argument). He did not believe that the Union was a contract among the States. Even so, he recognized that he could not stop an illegal secession if his rightful masters, the American people, did not furnish the requisite means to stop secession.
Though President Obama would probably have held the door open had Texas tried to secede during his presidency, President-elect Trump is not likely to let California go in peace.
Another alternative is to let California go out the way she came in. The common historical view is that the United States conquered California (along with Texas and the rest of the Southwest) in the Mexican war of aggression of 1846-48. This is true as far as it goes, but incomplete.
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So, why couldnt we cede California back for, say, $415 million (what $15 million in 1848 dollars is worth today)?
I will support any effort to have all the other states agree to CA seceding. Agreement from the other states and DC is required to secede.
“Don’t let the screen door hit ya,
where the San Andreas split ya.”
So to speak.
Californians can leave anytime they want to, but they are not taking the state with them.
>>So, why couldnt we cede California back for, say, $415 million (what $15 million in 1848 dollars is worth today)?
Nah. This is one of those “expensive divorce” scenarios. You know the joke: Why is divorce so expensive? Because it’s worth it!
Pull the military assets out, cut the water pipes and power lines that cross the state lines and ship the illegals there. Then build a wall and defend the United States of America from the escapees, but permit emigration as long as they can prove they are Conservatives.
America has a huge investment in California. If they want to leave, give them a 1 Trillion dollar a year EZ payment plan for 200 years.
California bump for later.....
That's a contradiction in terms.
Well there could be an earthquake and it separates from the mainland, kinda like another Hawaii.
The DofI may be the best outline ever created to justify secession.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. - Declaration of Independence (DofI).
A state can't just up and say, "OK were outta here." Individuals may leave, but not a state. A state purporting to govern itself must have more than "transient causes" to overthrow that which governs it.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. - DofI.
Where is the "long train of abuses" CA has suffered? Where has CA gone on record to show how it has suffered "a long train" of unconstitutional federal acts of despotism or tyranny, the ONLY legal, moral, and prudent justification for secession?
In other words, ain't gonna happen.
“America has a huge investment in California.”
Actually California has a huge investment in the USA, since California is a “net maker” not “net taker.”
IOW California pays more into the fedGov than it gets from it.
So does Texas, btw.
Not sure how most of CA survives without the water they get from other states.
They’d be crying to get back in within weeks. The instant the Federal payments stop, bases closed,etc they be popping their pants. Wouldn’t take but a month for the Mexican Army to conquer that teeming pile of draft dodgers and baby killers.
No because the Leftist "study" that came up with that claim simply ignored anything that comes to CA via the Defense budget. There is a WHOLE lot of US Govt money pumped into CA for R&D and defense spending. Then there the is the little problem that most of the southerner 1/3 of the state cannot live without water from outside CA.
In a way California does. In a way it doesn’t. If California had to give up ownership to properties residing in the other 49 states it wouldn’t look so good.
Here’s the fine print:
They must re-pay all federal money for all federally funded infrastructure and military installations ever constructed inside their borders. Also the USA would retain all offshore rights to the Pacific Ocean to with 1 mile of the coast line.
Californians would have to have a passport to cross their borders into their neighboring states and any Californian that wants to immigrate after the agreement would be required to wait 25 years.
Any citizen of California that chooses to leave because of, and prior to, the pending action would be prohibited from voting in any local, state and federal elections in their new state for a period of 25 years so as to not be able to bring their stupid ideas with them and change the new state.
Any power line, utility pipeline or other interstate utility would be cut a minimum of 1 mile from the border and no state will enter into any mutual agreements to supply, maintain, or otherwise have any commerce or trade with California.
Why? Because they would discover they have just become another 3rd world hispanic country.
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