Posted on 12/17/2016 11:49:45 PM PST by Enchante
The Palestinians remind me of an old Andy Capp comic strip I cannot find.
Andy is on a train, and next to him is a man reading a newspaper. In the next scene Andy is looking over the man’s shoulder reading the newspaper. In the next scene Andy is sharing the newspaper with the man. In the final scene Andy has the entire newpaper, and the man is looking over his shoulder. Andy turns to him and says, “Do you mind?”
That’s how I see the Palestinians.
It's pretty clear that "messianic jews" or whatever it is that they call themselves, are more than happy to see the demise of Christianity in the Holy Land. It's one reason why they are evil.
Ping for later
I’m neither Christian nor Messianic, but simply Jewish. I look to Christians both inside and outside of Israel as allies against the Islamonazis who threaten to engulf us both, and deplore what the PA has done to them in Bethlehem and Beit Jaalah. I’m sorry the respective denominations represented by you two are squabbling. But that’s a distraction, really, and one of very little interest to others.
Ashraaf. That’s what they boil down to.
> Article is not new, but very important and topical — so-called “Palestinians” try to pretend that they have ancient long-standing right to all of the land of Israel, Gaza, and “West Bank”.... in reality, only a few per cent (author estimates under 5 per cent) of the Arab/Muslim population of “Palestine” preceded 19th and 20th century waves of immigration to the area.
Arabs owned Palestine by right of conquest from the Romans, who owned in right of conquest from the Jedeans, who owned it in right of conquest from the Canaanites. The most recent right of conquest is that of the Jewish settlers and thus have the most valid set of rights.
Yeah, your concerns are important of course, where as those of others are merely squabbles.
If you think there aren’t internecine squabbles among Jews, you don’t know us. It’s hardly unique, and hardly remarkable. It’s just not appropriate with invading hordes raping Europe and trying to invade the US so they can do the same, and all of them surrounding my tiny triangular state and swearing its destruction. There’ll be time for infighting later, when these sumbitches are dealt with.
This thread isn't about muslims in Europe.
It’s not about who’s the real Christians, either. It has something to do with Israel, so it’s relevant what Israelis think of Christians and vice versa, since we have a common enemy, and the hordes invading Europe is therefore relevant. You want to love your enemy, go ahead. But they’d love to mount your head on a pike and dance around with it.
My enemies are those who don't support Middle Eastern Christians.
OK. I support Middle Eastern Christians. I believe it’s a travesty what’s being done with them. I’d love to yank Bethlehem away from the PA, and also adjudicate all of the extortion and land fraud that the Muslims have done while it was under their jurisdiction, and encourage those who left to come back. I wouldn’t mind admitting Christian refugees from Syria to Israel. So why not just start a thread about Middle Eastern Christians, which is off topic here, but a legitimate concern.
Why should I? When people talk about "Palestinians" being a made-up people and compare them to human refuse, they fail to consider that "Palestinian" Christians have been there for 2000 years and have every right to be in the Holy Land.
OK. That’s valid. There are Arabic-speaking Christians in Israel, though I don’t think they were there for 2000 years. The indigenous Christians who kept all the mitzvot but believed Jesus was the Messiah became outcasts when they refused to support Bar Kochba’s revolt, and subsequently died out. I don’t think there was a Franciscan monk or a Roman Catholic among them. But let’s not quibble. Christians have been around Israel a long time. Sure. Lately, they’ve been abandoning Arabic and calling themselves Chaldean Christians, preferring Aramaic. They’ve been treated badly by the so-called Palestinians, especially since Bethlehem came under their rule. It was heinous for Bethlehem to be placed under their rule, but on the other hand at the time they identified themselves with the Palestinian cause. George Habash was a Christian from Lud, and a major terrorist. I’m glad that they no longer consider themselves Palestinians. That makes it a whole lot easier to forge an alliance with them, which is probably in the works on the QT.
“Arabs” did not “own” “Palestine” — for many recent centuries it was part of Ottoman Empire, not Arab at all.
>“Arabs” did not “own” “Palestine” — for many recent centuries it was part of Ottoman Empire, not Arab at all.
Arabs moved in, killed the locals and ruled the place even under the Turks. Thus they owned it.
St. Peter was the first Pope of the Catholic Church and Christians have been in the Holy Land ever since.
George Habash was a Christian from Lud, and a major terrorist.
Do you need me to give you a list of Jewish acts of terrorism?
“Palestinians” were the creation of Yasser Arafat (an Egyptian) and the KGB. Most of the inhumanity towards them has come from the Arab nations which will not allow those in the refugee camps to become citizens or do much of anything productive.
Mark Twain’s “Innocents Aboard” makes the point that there was almost no population in what is now Israel and that it was mostly sh@thole.
So, how do you explain that there is a Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem from around 33 AD until today?
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