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1 posted on 02/11/2017 6:03:33 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Mrs. Don-o

People should have liberty in the education of their children. Period. The state has completely blown their contention that they have an interest in education by institutionalizing children for twelve years without their learning to read or do basic math or fix a toilet or change a tire.

I spent more than an hour on the phone this afternoon with a lady in my church who would like to start homeschooling tomorrow, because the middle school environment is so toxic for her daughter. (In our state, she could probably start Tuesday, unless the issuance of the private school registration is automated and works on the weekend.) Math and English, I said. English and math.

I don’t doubt that Ms. DeVos is a fine person who has done a lot of good, but I’d like to know what the Federal Department of Education has contributed to the public good. I’d like to see her file a zero budget for the agency.


2 posted on 02/11/2017 6:11:02 PM PST by Tax-chick ("If you think free speech is assault but assault is free speech, you're a moron.")
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... Many activists on the DeVos side of that argument would say that parents are, in effect, receiving some of their own tax dollars back from the government so that they can choose what to do with those funds. Yes, this form of choice is fiercely opposed by the public-school establishment and by many who see this as a violation of church-state separation (since many parents choose faith-driven educational alternatives, including homeschooling materials).

If it is a violation of the separation of church and state for a religions person to receive tax money from the state, wouldn't it also be a violation of the separation of church and state for a religious person to pay taxes to the state?

3 posted on 02/11/2017 6:14:07 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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The first "school in a box" came out 110 years ago and was designed for parents to be able to travel with their children rather then leaving them at boarding school.

It had nothing to do with religious instruction, just the desire to have the family together.

4 posted on 02/11/2017 6:15:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not a Romantic, not a hero worshiper and stop trying to tug my heartstrings. It tickles! (pink bow))
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Come across the rare few online, but, fortunately, most curriculum is Christian-based. Our local school system was trying to lure us back into the system by offering “Core” classes online and the teachers grading. I said NO WAY!

Libs will be right at home with that crap.


6 posted on 02/11/2017 6:21:00 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (****happy dance**** BIGLY!!!! Shadilay!)
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In California, it you want to home school through the public system you have to account for every “education minute,” which is measured by the amount of worksheets the kid turns in. I filed my own private school affidavit. My daughter is now studying industrial design and my son is a Marine.
I think it’s better to stay away from government schools.


7 posted on 02/11/2017 6:21:43 PM PST by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
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Those libs are at least spending time with their kids instead of dumping them on other people to raise from birth through high school. Some of them will learn that they can help their kids more than the public school system. And some of that sub-group will eventually learn to vote what they learn — I have seen it happen.


9 posted on 02/11/2017 6:22:43 PM PST by Socon-Econ
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My only beloved son had breezed through his undergrad studies and then earned his Master's Degree from the University of Chicago. (3.87 GPA) He was not homeschooled, but he was schooled in right and wrong, good versus evil, and Man versus Mammon - (this, I believe) had to more to do with his life today than anything ANY teacher ever said to him and his classmates... He Is happy, and well adjusted, DESPITE his Education!
10 posted on 02/11/2017 6:23:15 PM PST by heterosupremacist (Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!)
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Homeschool advocates generally do not like government funds in homeschool, but the “school choice” people would LOVE to force government funds on homeschoolers.


15 posted on 02/11/2017 6:31:01 PM PST by ReagansShinyHair
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....it quickly became clear that reporter Jon Schuppe not only saw the irony, but understood it.

Well, maybe. I saw the article, and I don't know if Schuppe understood it or just stumbled onto an obvious irony--something MOST journalists don't really catch.

Having been intimately involved in the homeschooling community in my area, our contacts are mainly Christians--but not necessarily "conservative" in a political sense.

The heartening truth is this: in South Florida (ESPECIALLY since the edict from B. Hussein Obama that bathrooms have to be open to both sexes) we have seen a rapid increase in inquiries about home schooling from parents all along the socioeconomic and racial lines.

A good percentage of our homeschoolers are black. They don't want their kids growing up like thugs.

A loving community is what homeschoolers are....we have had some very, very liberal Jewish folk amongst us, too...they are welcome.

Homeschooling will get a kid to learn at their OWN pace. And with online courses and computer based teaching, it is so much easier than people think.

There is even a physical education program called "Saints" here in Florida for homeschoolers.

Public schools, with the teachers unions and the violence and the liberal politics and all the other rot are no longer worth the time.

http://www.hslda.org

18 posted on 02/11/2017 6:45:01 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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Schools have to teach Virtue. Period. Today’s factories promote vice only and embed dependency, totally emasculating our boys. Virtue is only posited with Classical Christian curricula-—the type that created the Renaissance, the Age of Reason and the US Constitution and the minds of our Founders.

Franklin went to “school” less than 4 years. Most people NEVER went to “school” for more than 5-6 years. Why? Because schools were not into social engineering and destroying the minds of children. The real “school” is the Natural Family—the only thing which instills individualism and agency—thinking for self.

For agency and thinking for self, children had to be in the real world, doing real things to help their families. It is where true self-esteem (virtue) is learned and how socialization should be learned. They embed self-esteem by mastering real tasks—not wasting time in artificial “schools” learning that gender is fluid (satanism) and other worthless mind-warping, soul-warping ideas which keep them from pursuing their true interests.

The flaw is “thinking” that you never posit a worldview in children. Everything posits a worldview—or “Faith” in a child. ALL people have a “faith” that they promote. BUT, the only one allowed in schools until evil Dewey was the Christian “Faith” because it was the most rational, just and brilliant religion ever to exist, which got rid of slavery as a good, misogyny and pederasty, incest ,etc: a true Just system of ethics.

Our “justice” system WAS only based on Christian Ethics since all other ethics systems are irrational and removed from Natural Law Theory (science.logic/God’s Laws).

The evil unconstitutional mandatory system of mass indoctrination into satanism (yes, the schools posit the religion of Lucifereanism) has to go.

Virtue needs to be habituated and practiced and agency only comes from unstructured free time where children can actually learn to think for themselves as they act in Reality with real human interactions (grow the nerve pathways that allow agency).

Only reading the Great Books (including the Bible) will give them the brilliant mind where thinking critically is possible and Mind Control by the elite/TV is rarely effective. Vice creates slaves and you have as many masters as you have vices (St. Augustine). Without Virtue, inner control of base emotions, you are never Free. Everyone before the brainwashing of Dewey’s programming understood these simple truths which were known for over 2400 years in the West.

We should go back to local, parental control of any “school”. No union “board” members who don’t have children in the school, who can control content, etc. Only the Classical Christian curricula should be allowed and no data bases-—only exit exams that worked so well for centuries in America. No computers/screens, etc. that shut down the brain formation and stunt intellectual growth. Paper, pencils, pens and great books are all that is needed for a mind like Newton’s. After basic mastery of the Classics and all the tools to “think” which will be done by age 12-—people can go into a trade or whatever-—to specialize or do what they love. And they can marry at 21 without debt and with real life skills and the virtue to flourish and raise emotionally healthy children.


20 posted on 02/11/2017 7:16:01 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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It’s so anti-woman to say she never worked. The PC and more accurate thing to say is she never worked outside the home but in Betsy’s case I’m sure she had a staff of workers who helped her with her charities and advocacy. I guess what they mean is that she never drew a paycheck.


24 posted on 02/11/2017 8:11:45 PM PST by Mercat (Men never do evil so fully and cheerfully as when they do it out of conscience.” (Blaise Pascal))
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So, I guess the lapdog media will be all FOR homeschooling, now that liberals want to do it. They’ll consider it a real put-down of Betsy DeVos. Somehow, I don’t think she’ll be losing any sleep over it, but it could help conservative homeschoolers, because I don’t think the libs will put up with the crap we conservative homeschoolers have had to endure for years!


25 posted on 02/11/2017 9:01:21 PM PST by SuziQ
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Even libs recognize the the benefits of homeschooling..... parents have more control, flexibility to pursue special interests, provide unique opportunities, efficient use of time, ability to provide higher quality, tailored programs of study.


27 posted on 02/11/2017 11:27:39 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan
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