Posted on 03/10/2017 11:46:18 AM PST by Dave346
For liberal Jewish groups, David Friedman represents more than just a hawkish candidate for America’s top diplomatic position in Israel. The combination of his longstanding rejection of a two-state solution and his nasty attacks on the American Jewish left, have made Friedman the embodiment of all liberal Jewish fears over the election of Donald Trump.
And guess what? Friedman, a former Trump bankruptcy lawyer with no diplomatic experience, just won a 12-9 vote in the Senate foreign relations committee and is sailing to likely approval by the full Republican-controlled Senate in coming days.
So why does the liberal J Street lobby see the Friedman nomination fight as a big victory?
The nasty fight over Friedman’s hardline views (which he tried to soften a bit) have driven Democrats more and more into the camp of the dovish group. It’s a trend that was clear during Thursday’s brief debate and vote over Friedman’s approval at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
“The level of opposition faced by David Friedman today in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee vote was unprecedented,” said J Street’s vice president of government affairs Dylan Williams in a statement, noting that the 12:9 vote was the most contested ever on the nomination of an ambassador to Israel. “It shows that the committee heard loud and clear the objections and concerns of diplomatic experts, pro-Israel, pro-peace Americans and the American Jewish community.”
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Democrats now equal communist and radical Islamic anti semitic propaganda.
So what? The Dems would vote against just about anyone Trump nominated.
GO FRIEDMAN GO
FULL SUPPORT
Two words: Kennedy and Japan.
Two more: meat packing and Luxembourg
Two things to accomplish in Trump adminstration under Friedman’s ambassadorship
1. Move the embassy to Eternal Capitol of Israel-Jerusalem
2. Annex Judea and Samaria
tell the palis they had 40 years an voted against every deal offered so obviously they just want Jews eliminated and that ain’t happening so go pound sand.
Freegards
LEX
Two things to accomplish in Trump adminstration under Friedman’s ambassadorship
1. Move the embassy to Eternal Capitol of Israel-Jerusalem
2. Annex Judea and Samaria
tell the palis they had 40 years an voted against every deal offered so obviously they just want Jews eliminated and that ain’t happening so go pound sand.
Freegards
LEX
in my opinion, J Street is primarily a SorozNazi front that is viciously anti-American, anti=Christian, and anti-Jewish.
In other words, the usual communistic agents and ‘useful idiots’ ... Please see this link!
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=589
I’d like to see the entire SorozNazi empire investigated and as appropriate prosecuted and shut down..........(hundreds of front groups including most of the ones that ‘sprung up’ in the last 10 years to cause all sorts of violence, dissention, and trouble in the streets and government of USA, also spread widely overseas causing trouble in UK, Ukraine, Germany, France, Israel, you name it....).
He sounds like he’ll be a great Ambassador.
Uh, if you think Israel should annex Judea and Samaria, where do you expect the Arabs to go? Or do you propose to make them Israeli citizens?
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>> “if you think Israel should annex Judea and Samaria, where do you expect the Arabs to go? Or do you propose to make them Israeli citizens?” <<
Judea is and always has been Israel since Yehova declared it to be so about 4000 years ago.
Torah allows for anyone to become a part of Israel by living bi its requirements.
Most actual Arabs enjoy living in Israel. “Palestinians” are not Arabs at all. They are descendants of Esau, a Hebrew.
The UN declared Jordan to be their land in 1948, but they are such trouble makers that no one wants them.
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Mr kaker, the “Palestinians” will likely be gone this fall when the air clears after the commencement of the jubilee.
It will be like 1967 on steroids this fall.
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So you didn’t answer my question. There are 2.6 million Arabs living in the areas you describe. Where do you think they should go? If you don’t have an answer, I assume you expect them to stay and become Israeli citizens. I don’t think you’ll find too many Israelis who think that’s a good idea.
(1) Kill all the Arabs.
(2) Expel all the Arabs.
(3) Convert the Arabs to Judaism or to some pacifist religion.
(4) Allow the Arabs to stay but without political rights.
(5) Allow the Arabs to stay and grant them citizenship (which they may refuse to accept).
No responsible Israeli leader would propose option (1). Option (2) would meet too much international opposition. Option (3) is inconceivable. So the choice is between option (4) and option (5).
No other Arab country wants the Palestinians to immigrate en masse. But perhaps the next Democrat President of the US will invite them to come here to add to the Democrats' voter lists.
So you think they will be dead? I’m confused. We are talking about 2.6 million people. 1967 involved the conquest of territory - I don’t think that’s the question here.
Of the options only (4) would work for a short while, but it's really not going to work over the long term. I don't see any mechanism for Israel to annex more than a small portion of the territories.
Option (6) Pay them to leave. Not really viable either, but is an option and has been floated. The Palestinian West Bank population is not 2.6 million but about 1.8 million. Bill Clinton promised $30 billion to Arafat if he accepted the offer made at Camp David when Ehud Barak was Israeli PM. Arafat rejected it. $30 Billion is $17,000 per person - man woman and child. The median per capita income in Jordan is around $4000. Assuming this cash would just materialize, how many residents of the WB would take 4x the per capita income in lump sum (or in regular payments over a period of years) to move to places like Jordan (which is large enough land mass but small in population size and aside from all other issues would benefit from an influx of cash and economic growth). Jordan unlikely to accept such a deal but it is not entirely unfathomable. Recent reports are that thousands move - mostly to Europe - each year because they don’t see any outcome in which their lives would improve including full Palestinian statehood. While they do from time to time “vote” on their leaders the reality is that their choices are imposed upon them. Clinton imposed the PLO on them under Oslo and Hamas is the only natural rival. Hamas may be less corrupt financially but promises them a life far more reactionary than those in the West Bank experience today.
Option (8) Federation of a Palestinian autonomous Principality either with Jordan or with Israel. If with Israel this is kicking the can down the road but may be a reasonable option if full political disposition remains intractable. Under such a plan Israel would retain political control and manage central planning issues while a Palestinian self-rule regime would run day to day issues like policing, local courts, local permits inside existing municipal boundaries etc.
The big problems imo that prevent resolution are seldom mentioned. Aside from what we hear so often, things like rejection of Israel and refusal to accept Jewish autonomy which are indeed at the core of the dispute, imo the biggest problem is the Refugee issue. Obviously Israel won’t accept millions of people living outside the region. Only Jordan grants them citizenship. In Lebanon and elsewhere they are denied political rights, denied higher education, denied jobs in the public sector and so on. They are for the most part a cultivated underclass by design.
In spite of so-called “Palestinian unity”, the Palestinian people living in the West Bank don’t want these refugees either. No country could possible absorb a population that doubles their size in a very short period. The closest examples are East/West Germany and Israel itself. Israel managed it, and Germany had some issues to resolve to balance economic disparity but for the most part equalibrium was reached because all parties desired it and the chasm wasn’t extraordinarily large. In both cases the people were educated, skilled and productive.
Contrast that with the West Bank, agrarian and commercialism for the most part, could not absorb a population equal to its current size who offered very little. No money. Few skills. No commercial experience. No political loyalty or respect for the local customs and practices. 1.8 million immigrants who would all be dependent on handouts would crush the economy, suppress wages, and disrupt political institutions. It is class NIMBY syndrome. So no matter how much money you could promise the Palestinians their own survival demands they refuse to accept the refugees. The political order would be overthrown the next election. Utilities would be overburdened. There would be a housing boom for the short term - assuming the money to finance it could materialize out of thin air - but how could a population that lives on the social and economic order of the day survive if an equally large population were imposed upon them? Even if you provided subsidies to the immigrants, it wold be devastating since the current population would then be forced to compete with a subsidized population. Impossible to manage.
And this doesn’t consider the social aspects. All these new neighbors with their own ideas of how things should be run, how to be neighborly, what the national priorities should be and so on. These kinds of issues are never discussed in the main. What we get from the media and from the NGOs is just back and forth blame for the failure to reach political compromise when it is, imo only, that the main stumbling block to settling the I/P conflict has to do with the impossible question of what the Palestinians in the WB today will do to absorb the refugees. Until that question is resolved - and it could resolve many ways given the conflicts in the area - expect no solution.
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