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California's Boondoggle Bullet Train Goes Off The (Fiscal) Rails
IBD ^ | 03/21/2017

Posted on 03/21/2017 8:09:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: kiltie65

I hear ya and I’d be fuming too.

Brown is as big a train wreck the second time, as he was the first.


21 posted on 03/21/2017 8:38:24 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (NeverTrump, a movement that was revealed to be a movement. Thank heaven we flushed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This article predicts fares of $86:

https://nextcity.org/daily/entry/fare-cost-ride-california-bullet-train

I just found airfare for $127. The article cites airfare as low as $68.

This train is insanity.


22 posted on 03/21/2017 8:39:36 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m not clicking on Politco. You can roll like that but I just don’t think the opponents would even shut up if you (we) gave them some money - they are NEVER satisfied.

I’d rather give them none and let them b!tch and keep saying no than give one millimeter. Screw them.

Like I said, I’m not interested in Politico and what Chucky Schumer has to say about it.

You need to go find somebody else to be a concern ninny.


23 posted on 03/21/2017 8:41:21 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

The headline is misleading. This train was never on the fiscal rails.


24 posted on 03/21/2017 8:43:48 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: jiggyboy

” ... the money that would be borrowed via a bond issue would be far better spent over its thirty year lifetime by sending a taxi to every potential passenger’s house, driving him directly to SFO / LAX, buying him a same-day Southwest ticket, and sending another taxi at the other end to take him to his hotel.”

Similar analysis for the Miami to Orlando to Tampa train when it was first proposed. Someone calculated that it would be more cost-effective to lease a new Volvo and give it, and the required gasoline, to every passenger expected to travel any distance on that route.


25 posted on 03/21/2017 8:44:23 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: SeekAndFind
the price tag is now put at twice that: $68 billion or more...

Jeez, how many Oroville spillways would that buy?

26 posted on 03/21/2017 8:44:57 AM PDT by C210N
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To: Gaffer

OK ignore Politico, how about these:

http://hotair.com/archives/2017/03/09/soon-trump-working-on-1-trillion-infrastructure-plan-interested-in-high-speed-rail/

and this,

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/03/09/trump-starts-to-sketch-1-trillion-infrastructure-plan.html

and this:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-begins-to-map-out-1-trillion-infrastructure-plan-1489012229


27 posted on 03/21/2017 8:45:36 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: txrefugee; vette6387; Nachum; Foolsgold; sheik yerbouty

The voters in CA voted Moonbeam’s pile of feces bullet train down! Brown’s buddies expect to suck millions out of CA that don’t exist. Typical Liberal political corruption.


28 posted on 03/21/2017 8:47:08 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Gaffer

The problem is there is no line item veto. Those money sucking lefties Lin cal vote as a block.


29 posted on 03/21/2017 8:48:47 AM PDT by Mouton (There is a new sheriff in town.)
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To: SeekAndFind

You seem to want me to read things. That’s okay. I take your original comments, content and intent into account and just don’t feel the need. You should go find somebody else to help you read things into Trump’s “plans” that haven’t even gotten off the mark yet.

It seems to me this HSR is a good thing to you or something.
Regardless, I don’t care what you think. Find somebody else. You protest too much.


30 posted on 03/21/2017 8:52:06 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

They can’t expect the people who haven’t already fled the state of CA to understand those figures. I don’t mean any disrespect to those remaining - many are our very good friends who were so hard to leave. We got out 11 years ago..I know from just FR that there are a lot who want to do the same thing when the age/time is right...

CA will have to train those left behind how to turn out the lights WTSHTF!


31 posted on 03/21/2017 8:54:54 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Mouton

Always problems. Concern ninny problems why we shouldn’t even stand to order and do battle because “they could do this and that.”

Sorry. That’s just not my way and I’m tired of accepting that as a “we have to consider.....”


32 posted on 03/21/2017 8:55:52 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind
With hard-hit voters then suffering from the worst of the financial crisis

Every time I read something like this that is written about communists, I LOL! It's like feeling sorry for the Trotskyites when the Stalinists routed them!

33 posted on 03/21/2017 9:01:30 AM PDT by gr8eman (People too dumb to understand what the word "country" means will never have one!)
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To: MeganC
"There have been two derailments of Shinkansen trains in passenger service. The first one occurred during the Chūetsu earthquake on 23 October 2004. Eight of ten cars of the Toki No. 325 train on the Jōetsu Shinkansen derailed near Nagaoka Station in Nagaoka, Niigata. There were no casualties among the 154 passengers.[21]" This does not say how fast the train was going at the time which would have greatly influenced the number of casualties. The other info that needs to be considered is the frequency of the quakes in both areas.
34 posted on 03/21/2017 9:02:11 AM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: SeekAndFind

You dont hear Feinstein’s hubby’s firm complaining , do you??


35 posted on 03/21/2017 9:07:50 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Monthly Donors Rock!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind
With hard-hit voters then suffering from the worst of the financial crisis, they fell for pledges of high-paying jobs and an ultrafast, low-cost train that would speed passengers from the San Francisco Bay Area to Los Angeles in a mere two hours and 40 minutes.

Fool me once...

I am old enough to remember San Francisco BART, and the wonders it would bring to the Bay area commuters, provide additional areas to live and commute safely opening up tens of thousands of jobs, Yadda yadda yadda...

The reality? The beneficiaries?

A new huge new administrative bureaucracy earning outrageous salaries.
A new army of grossly overpaid UNIONIZED predators, earning more than professional Lawyers, Engineers, skilled tradesmen, Computer experts, etc.

And, worse of all, the leverage to leave hundreds of thousands of commuters stranded as extortion to meet their ever increasing demands.

All this happened before any of the "supporters" of BART were even born! argue with them? Why waste the time?

White elephant doesn't begin to describe the new boondoggle to lord it over the California taxpayer and hapless commuter.

All, of course, to "save the gazillion billion dollar" investment!"

36 posted on 03/21/2017 9:11:50 AM PDT by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT?)
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To: txrefugee
Where is that tiny violin? The stupidity of CA voters cannot be overstated. This is what happens when you give Leftists and illegals the majority to rule.

The Cali voters fell for a carefully packaged pack of lies. The "jobs" promise was loudly and often preached; and hey, it's just a bond measure, so (cough, cough) no harm there, eh?

Interestingly, when I lived in Cali, and knew a whole lot of progressives, not one ever said they were looking forward to riding the train.

If the train were ever built (it will not be) almost nobody would take it.

37 posted on 03/21/2017 9:17:37 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except for convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

Oh, it has plans for a pile of federal $.

California has scrambled to get the job started and a lot of money spent (even in violation of its enabling legislation) so when people go to pull the plug the standard political/contractor whine of “but...but...but... We’ve already spent all this money, it’ll all have been wasted if we stop” can be rolled out by the them and the media whores to get the gullible electorate to keep digging into their pockets.


38 posted on 03/21/2017 9:20:03 AM PDT by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: DoughtyOne
5. Brown and his money grubbing pals should have to foot the bill if it’s such a great idea/investment

The solution is both obvious and foolproof!

Legislate the following be mandatory and not subject to revision:

Any increase in the costs originally stated in the original bond issue be covered from ALL salary increases AND other bonuses and/or benefits given to California Legislators and Public employees since the Bond issue "passed." YES, retroactively.

And any and all future salary increases and other benefits, goes without saying...

39 posted on 03/21/2017 9:25:14 AM PDT by publius911 (I SUPPORT MY PRESIDENT?)
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To: mountainlion

Exactly. This is corruption, pure and simple.


40 posted on 03/21/2017 9:25:48 AM PDT by kabar
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