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To: SecAmndmt

I haven’t seen this much division here since the primaries.


19 posted on 03/25/2017 11:50:19 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

This will go on for the next 4 years. The GOPe will continue serving up crap sandwiches to sabotage Trump and conservatives, and then try to pin their failures on us. Let’s not forget Ryan is doing exactly as his predecessor did. Ryan has more in common with D’s than R’s, it appears.

Our only options are to light up the switchboards and vote out R’s and D’s who do not support the Constitution


20 posted on 03/25/2017 12:08:15 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: Rusty0604

Not sure how authentic it is. One side is obviously organized, with people using the same talking points and refuted claims.


21 posted on 03/25/2017 12:18:17 PM PDT by TTFX
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To: Rusty0604
I haven’t seen this much division here since the primaries.

You're right. People have to realize that sometimes being on different sides of an issue doesn't mean that being an advocate for one side or another makes one traitor to the cause.

In some cases, such as voting for Hillary vs. voting for Trump, that principle does apply. But in others it's a lot more cloudy than that.

Yesterday is a perfect example.

There's no doubt in my mind that Ryan's bill would not have resulted in lower premiums for Americans, and therefore it would have been hung around Trump's neck as "Trumpcare", and then used to damage his chances of re-election in 4 years.

The President would have had to trust that an Establishment Congress would follow through with the remaining "phases", and there's absolutely no guarantee that would have happened. Under such circumstances, Paul Ryan would have been totally in control of President Trump's perceived success (or failure) on the healthcare issue. I can't think of a more dangerous situation.

So, even though it means Obamacare is around for awhile longer, it also means that 1) the Speaker has been severely damaged (good thing) and 2) The Democrat still completely own the abominable failure that is Obamacare.

Hopefully, some decent statesmen in our federal legislature will now end up proposing some health care reforms which actually are base in competitive, free(r) markets, wherein Americans can see their premiums begin to decrease.

The voters and the President made it very clear the types of changes that were needed, and this bill simply wasn't the right way to go.

Paul Ryan has forcefully confirmed his GOPe status, and he should not remain in power as Speaker of the House.

I am convinced that the President dodge a bullet in this instance, and I'm glad he issued his ultimatum which forced the issue. Better to walk away from a bad deal than to adopt something which would have sabotaged his Presidency.

It's very hard for me to accept the argument that Ryan's bill was the "best" that we could come up with, after such a revolutionary election. It was conceived improperly, nehind closed doors—just like the Democrat establishment did under Obama—and it was rolled out incorrectly as well ("take it or leave it").

It was a debacle, but the President was right to express public support. Clearly, behind the scenes, there were some reservations, and if the President had wanted to, he could have allowed the process to drag on; I think, however, that he realized that this just wasn't the right way to go, especially since it would have put him at the mercy of Paul Ryan, who simply cannot be trusted.

Now the President can say "we tried it your (Ryan's) way, and it didn't work out", so the next attempt won't be led by Paul Ryan, and that's a very, very good thing.

Let's see what Senators Cruz, Paul, and Lee can muster.

Another thing which is mind-blowing is how all of these good versions of repeal & replace were sent to Obama's desk, and yet now the same legislation couldn't be sent to President Trump's desk. There is no doubt the President would have signed such legislation.

Our rulers are truly a bunch of Uniparty weasels, and that, unfortunately, is almost as true for the GOP as for the Democrats. It does not bode well for this President's success—to have to work with the swamp in order to drain the swamp. Seems like a Catch-22...

22 posted on 03/25/2017 12:19:26 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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