Posted on 04/09/2017 5:13:15 PM PDT by Libloather
Well said.
“Because you don’t live in a place that legalized pot. I do. I see it, read about it, hear it, and listen to dispatch 24/7”
I’m not contradicting what you say about your experiences. I just don’t see how legalization caused it.
BTW, I do live in a place that legalized pot. Of course, this is also a place where a lot of people go about armed, so perhaps we don’t get as much overt misconduct by the criminals.
The sky is falling!!!!!
Well I live in OR too, and the only reason anyone is "stealing" water is that the state has declared it owns all of the water in Oregon. All rain water, all flowing water in rivers and streams and all ground water.
I live where there is no municipal water supply, so they graciously allow me to drill a well at my own expense and extract enough water to live on and to irrigate all of one acre. Any more and they will give me grief. And, the one acre can only be used for non-commercial purposes.
Now a few people have water rights grandfathered before the government stole all the water, but for the most part you are just plain out of luck.
“People would prefer to buy black market weed than go to the official stores where they have to pay taxes etc.”
Down at the local VA deathmart, you’d get the impression that a lot of old-timers are growing for their own use, and are concerned with keeping it out of the hands of youngsters.
“Plus the meth and heroin use hasn’t gone down at all, the idea that legal mj will diminish the use of “hard drugs” is another fantasy.”
People who go to the black market are often exposed to hard drugs. It is, after all, a black market. I have heard it said that building the wall will help with heroin coming up from May hee ko.
It is my belief that the city government here could buy chemical sniffers that would allow them to locate and eliminate every meth lab in the city within a matter of days. Instead, they waste our tax dollars on “buckle your seatbelt” campaigns and other PC crap.
In any case, the problem isn’t legal growers growing it on their own property for legal consumption in CA. The problem is illegal growers, mostly from elsewhere, growing it on public land for illegal consumption by people elsewhere. Hard to see how legalization is to blame for that. If anything it decreases the overall black market demand forcing them to sell out of state instead here.
To put it bluntly, mj prohibitionists appear to be SOL.
Ok. Let ‘em all kill one another. Problem solved.
probably getting a cut- sarcarm as I despise and think most demonrats are thieves
“We were told MaryJane was harmless.”
Cannabis is like anything else. Too much of anything is not good for us. That aside, I’ve been using cannabis daily as medicine since Feb 2015. No ill effects of any kind & my quality of life has been improved dramatically.
“Because you don’t live in a place that legalized pot.”
My sister-in-law lives in Boulder, Colorado. She was in for a visit last summer & I asked her if she has noticed any change since cannabis was legalized in her state. She is a mother with kids in public schools & assured me she had noticed no change at all since cannabis was decriminalized/legalized. She’s pretty involved in her community & has zero reason to be untruthful with us.
If an actual war on drugs means bypassing our court system and making police judge, jury, and executioner, then constitutionalists want no part of it.
Highlighting the ongoing failure of the war on pot.
Right?
People would prefer to buy black market weed than go to the official stores where they have to pay taxes etc. I suppose some people buy there.
Official stores are doing good business in every legal-pot state.
Also under age people - they can’t buy in stores.
Nor booze - but there's no evidence that underage demand for that drug is sustaining a significant black market.
Plus the meth and heroin use hasn’t gone down at all, the idea that legal mj will diminish the use of “hard drugs” is another fantasy.
That's completely off-topic, however ... I agree that once one is using meth or heroin, one probably isn't going back to just pot even if it's legalized. But taking the pot out of the black market makes a transition to black-market harder drugs less likely.
“If an actual war on drugs means bypassing our court system and making police judge, jury, and executioner”
The warrior mystique and the thug mystique have at least one thing in common: the willingness to face death. This is usually accompanied by a groundless certainty that it will be the other fellow who shuffles off this mortal coil, and not one’s self. The only thing that will deter thugs is actual death, never merely the threat of death.
For the sake of the constitution, we should have commenced our toothless “war on drugs” by enacting legislation requiring the legal execution of drug dealers within six months of their conviction, after one judicial review.
We should have specifically empowered law enforcement to fire on boats and aircraft that refused instructions to surrender.
Oh, and, as I understand it, Duterte did not limit the authority to kill drug dealers to the police.
“then constitutionalists want no part of it.”
The constitution is not a suicide pact. Good ends can always be accomplished within the limits thereof.
roger that - we need to admit that anything worse now than in 1970 proves efforts to fight it are abysmal failures that need to be abandoned immediately. To wit:
"We need to admit the 47 year battle to secure the southern border has failed and only made the human-smuggling mules stronger and has not reduced illegal immigration one bit."
"We need to admit the 47 year battle to convince liberals to abandon their gun-control agenda has failed and only created more 'gun-free zones'. May as well just hand over our guns now."
"We need to admit the 47 year battle against radical Islam has failed, in light of spiraling increases in global terrorism. Surrender to the Peace of Islam now."
"We need to admit the 47 year battle to wrest control of the US out of the hands of Liberals has failed, and that Conservatives are slow learners who clearly should have surrendered the day after the 1964 election".
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Hmm.... maybe what we really need to do is to learn lessons on how we should learn lessons from history?
Oops, did I misplace my "sarcasm" tag? I'm sure it's here somewhere....
HA HA HA!
No sir, nothing going in there are all...
No sir, nothing going in there are all...
No sir, nothing going on in there at all...
Exhale.....
ICE agents aren't going to go traipsing around in the woods hoping to catch two guys when they can go down to the local car wash, garment factory or poultry processing plant and catch them by the truckload.
Theory is all very well.
I, OTOH, am in the thick of it. Meth and heroin are not only going full blast but spreading. Legal mj does not diminish the use of “harder” drugs, in fact the reverse. A drug culture of anything goes, stone yourself out of your kind miasma encourages people to try anything.
Before mj was legalized, the county I live in was already a huge doper paradise, it just got even more so. Heroin and meth have increased for years, along with pot. Drugs are drugs and many people try mix and match. Once getting “high” (I call it getting “wasted”) is the goal, many people will try other stuff, as regular mj use gets boring and people have to use more and stronger to get the intoxication level they want. So many go go for other harder stuff too.
In Colorado other drug us is up too since mj legalization. Regarding no changes since legalization, it depends on location in the state and what a person runs into - personal experience, or reads. Your SIL may live in an area that hasn’t changed much. Overall, CO has had changes, not for the better.
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