Posted on 08/10/2017 8:07:36 AM PDT by dangus
Ah NO. Evidently You were not alive in the 50s and 60s. We had ABMSs THEN against Russian ICBMS. We have them NOW:http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/politics/pentagon-missile-test-north-korea-iran/index.html
Secondly, a Nuclear device would affect all the surrounding countries. Sheesh.
How did we deal with this in the 50s and 60s during the COLD WAR with Russia? he he They had way more sophisticated ICBMs than the NORKS? At one point we had bombers in the air 24/7 armed with Nuclear weapons that flew over the North Pole and back. Most here do not remember that.
Throughout the late 1950s and into the 1960s, the United States and the Soviet Union had been developing missile systems with the ability to shoot down incoming ICBM warheads. During this period, the US considered the defense of the US as part of reducing the overall damage inflicted in a full nuclear exchange. As part of this defense, Canada and the US established the North American Air Defense Command (now called North American Aerospace Defense Command).
By the early 1950s, US research on the Nike Zeus missile system had developed to the point where small improvements would allow it to be used as the basis of an operational ABM system. Work started on a short-range, high-speed counterpart known as Sprint to provide defense for the ABM sites themselves. By the mid-1960s, both systems showed enough promise to start development of base selection for a limited ABM system dubbed Sentinel. In 1967, the US announced that Sentinel itself would be scaled down to the smaller and less expensive Safeguard. Soviet doctrine called for development of its own ABM system and return to strategic parity with the US. This was achieved with the operational deployment of the A-35 ABM system and its successors, which remain operational to this day.
>> The Goldsboro bomb was an H-bomb that did not explode. I don’t see how you can compare an unexploded effects w/ an exploded one. <<
You misread me. The Goldsboro bomb caused ZERO deaths. I was reporting what it WOULD have caused had it detonated.
>> Had it exploded I’ll bet on a prevailing Easterly breeze Raleigh and surrounding would deserted today. On a S.Westerly breeze the Outer Banks would be off-limits.
Uh, no. There is a large, thriving, more populous-than-ever city right where the Hiroshima bomb detonated. Yours are precisely the false presumptions that I was correcting. The Goldsboro bomb may have been as much as 100 kt, not 15 kt, but the effect is LESS than 100/15, not MORE, nor exponential, as many people seem to think.
Excellent post. And its important to clarify for the know-nothings that the immediate effects of a ground burst would be LESS deadly.
Send a small non-nuke bomb to Kim’s kitchen and so limiting collaterals.
IC circuits, very low voltage computer circuits are much more vulnerable than manual switching circuits in the past.
IIRC an airburst H-bomb over the Pacific took out the grid in Hawaii, radios in Australia .
The dictators like to use “Sacrificial Pawns” or “Cats Paws” to do their dirty work.
Look at the Cubans in Africa doing the Soviet Union’s work.
Humans love symmetry, and that Korean Peninsula doesn’t look symmetrical to the Chinese.
China’s been hedging their bets with the South Koreans.
What they really want is a solution that unites Korea until control of the current South Korean government, but with the US out of the Peninsula, and South Korea, at least neutral, if not in the Chinese sphere of influence.
s/b
“What they really want is a solution that unites Korea under control of the current South Korean government”
About EMP:
The doom scenarios you read about EMP were based on hypothetical weapons designed to maximize the effects of EMP. In a Soviet test of a 300 kt mega-bomb, there was a surge triggering fuses and over-voltage protectors along the entirely of a 350-mile electrical system set up to monitor the strength of the EMP. But this bomb was 20 times more powerful than anything the North Koreans would be likely to have, and was detonated at an altitude that resulted in a Korean ICBM making it no further than the Sea of Japan. Oh yeah... and the nearby city of Karaganda (now Kazakhstan) was utterly unprepared for such a thing.
Just in case you missed that: The Soviet Union DELIBERATELY triggered an EMP over 20 times stronger than a North Korean warhead over its breadbasket at a time when there were NO protections from EMP. There were economic reprecussions: a fire in a Karaganda generating plant. That’s it.
This EMP talk shows the dangers North Korea could EVENTUALLY present, but it does not currently present those dangers.
To be honest with you, I don’t fear Kim Nutchucks at all.
I live near Seattle, which would be one of his first targets.
But to get a bomb the right size, and to launch it to hit Seattle, would be almost an impossible feat.
I fear an EMP burst way more.
Or what the Chinese or Russians might do.
Would China be the boss, in that case? Is Kim their wind up madman toy?
That's what my gut is saying. On the other hand, there are others in the Nork government that are even more hardline and anti-China, and those are the dangerous ones. Is Kim merely a figurehead?
I think those tests were at ground level of only a little above.
Norkea d0es not have an H-bomb. Yet. I am a believer that Norkea doesn’t have anything that China has not given to it.
The Chinese are doing their own work in Africa now. They have pretty close to colonized much of southern Africa.
Yep, I’m currently the owner of two cars, both (very well) made in Hiroshima. There’s a general funk in the West about anything containing the word “nuclear” or “atomic”, whatever. Looks like the rest of the world just moves on.
The Chinese have a history with Korea.
The Koreans are going to be a bit wary of them.
The Africans just think the Chinese are Santa Claus.
They were not detonated at high altitude. They were detonated near the surface, or far UNDER the surface. Only a small number of nuclear weapon tests were conducted above the atmosphere, all in the south Pacific. At least one of them produced EMP effects which affected Hawaii.
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