Posted on 08/10/2017 12:12:18 PM PDT by reaganaut1
The effort is to get the unsuspecting, suspected employees to be on record with their unPC opinions and make a firing easier to stick.
Also, "anonymous" company surveys are not really anonymous. Companies are not interested in what you have to say. Keep your head down and don't complain about anything, even your salary or hourly rate. If you're not making enough money, try to find another job.
If they had just fired him and not tried to explain why they fired him, this might have been the case.
The potential problem for Google is that they opened their mouths about it and committed two big errors in their knee-jerk leftist arrogance:
* They slandered him by misrepresenting what he said. Defamation is something that can be sued over, especially for somebody who was not in the public eye before this stuff.
* They described their own culture as being so hostile to his views that they felt it was impossible to find anyone to work with him without "punching him in the nose" or otherwise being hostile and suspicious of him. And they seemed to endorse the hostility as justifiable. This opens them up to the potential for class action lawsuits for any Googler or former Googler who felt that hostility but could not prove it.
My company asks us to fill out one of these surveys every year- claiming they are completely anonymous so be honest because they really want to know what employees think. You go to the survey and literally the first thing you have to do is put in your EMPOYEE ID number!!!! Yeah, sure- I’ll get right on that ‘anonymous’ survey! LOL!
Why? Well, simply put, two reasons:
- Google, along with all the other media companies, has a target audience that includes all races & genders around the globe ie a 7 billion person strong market. If they were to acknowledge IQ and other related race/gender traits/characteristics/differences, then they could literally lose a majority of this market.
- Two, perhaps most importantly, is that media is discretionary. It appeals to various social aspects, all of which are dominated by women and romantics. If they are offended, which is very easy to do, then they can easily go somewhere else. Of course, conservatives can as well, which is why the game these companies play is to appease both sides.
Consider Boeing or Airbus; is there any uproar that the engineers are 99% men? No, because even a social justice warrior is smart enough to know that when your very life is at stake, you better damn well favor merit & ability. Which means, QED, "fvcking while males."
I don't have any sympathy for the terminated employee. If you're too dumb to not understand the game, then you're probably too dumb to be of any use. Consider how many extra people (10,000?) are employed as a result of Google grabbing extra market share while playing these games? Consider if they came out and admitted gender & race based differences. Presto, potentially millions of users gone. Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag, they are getting the reciprocal action, which is millions of users are leaving do to the lying & oppression.
The bigger issue is that this episode probably marks the top for Google. The technology they employ is now fairly generic. There are search engines that use the but strip header/ad info, there's browsers with built in ad blockers, etc. For those who check them out (eg StartPage, Brave, etc) you'll be amazed at how much quicker they are. That's because they're not processes thousands of data points every time you click on the mouse.
The only difference I have with your statement is that I do have some sympathy with the fired engineer. He naively thought that there would be no consequence for speaking freely, and, even worse, that his work would have some impact at Google. Life lessons are sometimes hard.
Yup, Ive learned life is not fair ..
and never will be.
Post #16
Bingo.... Should be posted on the breakroom wall next to the emergency exit plan.
4. When a company says “diversity,” they’re really talking about discriminating against white men. They’re not talking about diversity of opinion. They don’t want to know the truth
Absolutely spot on
“The effort is to get the unsuspecting, suspected employees to be on record with their unPC opinions and make a firing easier to stick. “
The HR manager called one of the employees I worked with at a Fortune 500 company and said, “John, why haven’t you filled out your anonymous (on line) survey? John said, “You don’t know what anonymous means, do you?” HRM said, “Of course I do, what do you mean?”
They want feedback all right, just not in the way the targets expect.
A thousand "confidential" surveys, meaning the survey takers have no clue what were the results of the survey. The company can publish any result it wants, and those who have an opposing view would just think they were in the minority, even if they were in the 99%.
Insidious manipulators despise Donald Trump on general principle.
“An employer can do whatever it wants.”
Depends. There are a lot of protected classes these days. Also, Google went out in public and said some pretty negative things about this guy. That’s pretty thin ice in HR world. Furthermore, a lot of google people, on google time, have utterly trashed the guy. Imagine if at your workplace, the employer knew that on company time his employees were running around trashing a recently fired employee.
And his comments were gentle, and in no way screed.
Google slandered him, and still is. And all he did was carefully consider things related in light of training he was forced into.
Then there is the real world. Google will love endless press releases, hearings, etc.
If google would have ignored it, it would have proven him wrong, and would have been quickly forgotten.
Geniuses.
And I also notice their big motto “don’t be evil”. Tell you that from day one they knew they were. Imagine your spouse walking out the door saying a mantra “don’t have an affair”.
Says a lot about them that their motto is “don’t be evil”.
I think this matter might be more destructive to Google than people might think. Google’s only profitable line of business is advertising, but they are being called upon to essentially limit their revenues there via censorship. They might be able to get away with censorship if they’re trusted to only censor that which really should be (calls to violence, etc.). But if it gets out that they’re intolerant of any ideological diversity internally, it stand to reason that they can’t be trusted to protect it externally. I suspect they’ll try to settle with this guy ASAP.
Pretty much true...dat!!
If this had been written by a woman there would have been a totally different outcome.
Back in my days of being a manager here in Silicon Valley they would make you attend ‘training’.
What I learned in training was avoid women in the workplace entirely unless you had to interact with them about their job performance.
Whenever I needed to ‘correct’ a female employee I ALWAYS had a witness, and then took notes.
Feminism has destroyed and hope for a positive workplace.
Not that it is a big deal, but I did my little part and canceled my gmail account, using yahoo now. I hate google and what they don’t stand for...
As an employer I used to be required to keep a poster up of employee anti-discrimination rights. The anti-discrimination list included “Creed”. Do they still have this? is this still a viable anti-discrimination clause and protection?
Creed of course is one’s right to personal opinion.
I left Corporate America 21 years ago.
It was bad then.
I can’t even imagine the workplace environment today.
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