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To: rktman
if you read the Federalist Papers, you will just get a feeling for it

BS. If one reads AND comprehends the Federalist Papers it is obvious that is not at all what they say.

You don't "feel" anything. Typical leftist.

The Constitution Says What It Means & Means What It Says - Justice Scalia

17 posted on 08/23/2017 9:34:32 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’ve ‘got a feeling’ that the federalists were implying that activists touchy feely judges should be banned because they aren’t reliable enough when it comes to objective law—


30 posted on 08/23/2017 9:46:54 AM PDT by Bob434
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To: ChildOfThe60s; rktman

“if you read the Federalist Papers, you will just get a feeling for it”

“BS. If one reads AND comprehends the Federalist Papers it is obvious that is not at all what they say.

You don’t “feel” anything. Typical leftist.

The Constitution Says What It Means & Means What It Says - Justice Scalia”


Damned straight. Madison himself, in Federalist #46, speaks about the militia and its duty - which is to prevent the federal government from dominating the state governments chosen by the people (i.e. from dominating the people themselves). He speaks of a militia of 500,000 armed men - in 1787!!! That can ONLY mean that he was speaking about EVERY able-bodied male, since the entire population was about 3 million people then.

Further, if you look at the powers of Congress, one of them is to “Grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal.” Well, WTF is THAT? Simple: Congressional authorization to act like a pirate/privateer against enemies of the United States. These Letters were actually granted during the War of 1812, and PRIVATE PEOPLE attacked British warships (as they had during the Revolutionary War, which pre-dated our form of government) - meaning both that they owned large ships and - much more importantly - they owned crew-served cannon. How could that be, if the 2nd Amendment didn’t RECOGNIZE - not grant, but recognize - a pre-existing RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS?

Here is the relevant portion of Federalist #46 (sorry abut no paragraphs, but this is how I found it on the Federalist Society website):

“The only refuge left for those who prophesy the downfall of the State governments is the visionary supposition that the federal government may previously accumulate a military force for the projects of ambition. The reasonings contained in these papers must have been employed to little purpose indeed, if it could be necessary now to disprove the reality of this danger. That the people and the States should, for a sufficient period of time, elect an uninterupted succession of men ready to betray both; that the traitors should, throughout this period, uniformly and systematically pursue some fixed plan for the extension of the military establishment; that the governments and the people of the States should silently and patiently behold the gathering storm, and continue to supply the materials, until it should be prepared to burst on their own heads, must appear to every one more like the incoherent dreams of a delirious jealousy, or the misjudged exaggerations of a counterfeit zeal, than like the sober apprehensions of genuine patriotism. Extravagant as the supposition is, let it however be made. Let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal government; still it would not be going too far to say, that the State governments, with the people on their side, would be able to repel the danger. The highest number to which, according to the best computation, a standing army can be carried in any country, does not exceed one hundredth part of the whole number of souls; or one twenty-fifth part of the number able to bear arms. This proportion would not yield, in the United States, an army of more than twenty-five or thirty thousand men. To these would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands, officered by men chosen from among themselves, fighting for their common liberties, and united and conducted by governments possessing their affections and confidence. It may well be doubted, whether a militia thus circumstanced could ever be conquered by such a proportion of regular troops. Those who are best acquainted with the last successful resistance of this country against the British arms, will be most inclined to deny the possibility of it. Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which the people are attached, and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which a simple government of any form can admit of. Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. And it is not certain, that with this aid alone they would not be able to shake off their yokes. But were the people to possess the additional advantages of local governments chosen by themselves, who could collect the national will and direct the national force, and of officers appointed out of the militia, by these governments, and attached both to them and to the militia, it may be affirmed with the greatest assurance, that the throne of every tyranny in Europe would be speedily overturned in spite of the legions which surround it. Let us not insult the free and gallant citizens of America with the suspicion, that they would be less able to defend the rights of which they would be in actual possession, than the debased subjects of arbitrary power would be to rescue theirs from the hands of their oppressors. Let us rather no longer insult them with the supposition that they can ever reduce themselves to the necessity of making the experiment, by a blind and tame submission to the long train of insidious measures which must precede and produce it.”


80 posted on 08/25/2017 11:49:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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