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The Libertarianism-to-Fascism Pipeline [NR acid reflux alert]
National Review ^ | 24 August 2017 | Michael Brendan Dougherty

Posted on 08/24/2017 2:20:00 PM PDT by oblomov

n 2002, I got it into my head that I wanted to attend what was then described as the “Old Latin Mass.” I had been reading in the dingy corners of the Internet, which is always dangerous, and these Latin Mass people seemed able to explain some of the gap between the grand ideas I was studying in a medieval-theology class at my college and the worship at most Catholic parishes, which, to me, seemed little different from the Lutheran services I’d seen as a teenager. One Sunday morning I got in my car, and life has never been the same.

For most of the people I met there, the Old Mass was the one quixotic cause to which they were attached. They knew that the local bishop didn’t like this movement, and that it placed them outside the mainstream not only of their culture but of their own Church. But they believed.

The price for their conviction was that they had to put up with the others – the people for whom the Latin Mass was just the first or the latest in a long line of disreputable fascinations and commitments. One of these folks told me that every bishop and cardinal and even the pope himself was homosexual. Another let on that she frequently wrote encouraging letters to certain Bourbon descendants. And honestly, it was the freaks and conspiracy theorists who seemed more kind and generous with their time, and who generally were less discriminating in everyday ways. They might be worried that Freemasons in the government were spying on them, but they really didn’t notice bourgeois morality or care about what you did for a living.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: charlottesville; dontjustreadthetitle; dougherty; fascism; libertarianism; readthearticledammit
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To: oblomov

I read the whole article, and still don’t know what the author’s point was.


21 posted on 08/24/2017 3:42:59 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: oblomov

I wonder why the author didn’t consider this: if a man can say he is a woman, isn’t that a “pipeline” to all other sorts of irrationalism and paranoia? If “whiteness” is intrinsically bad and unredeemable, isn’t THAT belief a pipeline to irrationalism, paranoia, and - perhaps - murder?


22 posted on 08/24/2017 3:46:18 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: oblomov
The author never really followed through on his idea that an attraction to the Latin Mass is somehow a "pipeline" towards neo-Nazism, but my experience of traditionalist Catholics is that they are:

1. Basically non-political, leaning towards the idea that the world is irredeemable until the Second Coming of Christ.

2. Among the minority of Catholics who still take traditional Christian sexual morality seriously.

3. Somewhat anti-Semitic, but extremely unlikely to commit anti-Semitic violence or partner with Protestant or secular neo-Nazi groups.

4. Believers in the idea that their best contribution to the world is through prayer and fasting and personal sacrifice.
23 posted on 08/24/2017 3:53:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: cdcdawg
The only commonality I see is that Fascism and libertarianism both reject egalitarianism.

I don't think he's saying that the ideologies are similar, but that there's a kind of person who says "I am right and the rest of the world is wrong."

When they come across other ideas that the rest of the world disagrees with, they are attracted to those ideas and in time they can end up in some very strange places intellectually.

There's an attraction to extreme or marginal ideas, also a hostility towards the average sheeple who don't question or dissent or question established orthodoxies.

There are plenty of examples of people like that out there, but one problem is that there are also people out there who'd take Dougherty himself or me or even maybe you as examples of the same phenomenon. For some people, not so long ago, National Review was seen as lunatic fringe.

I still haven't figured out what any of this has to do with the Latin Mass, though.

24 posted on 08/24/2017 4:07:40 PM PDT by x
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To: Responsibility2nd
equate libertarianism to fascism.

Not remotely what the article does. Look into remedial reading.

25 posted on 08/24/2017 5:10:29 PM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: NobleFree

It DOES equate the two. Reread the headline. Then ignore the Latin Mass mumbo jumbo. The rest is obvious. Libertarianism is fascism.


26 posted on 08/24/2017 5:51:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd
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To: Responsibility2nd

Libertarianism is the opposite of fascism.


27 posted on 08/24/2017 6:54:05 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Responsibility2nd
equate libertarianism to fascism.

Not remotely what the article does. Look into remedial reading.

It DOES equate the two. Reread the headline.

Even the headline proves you're wrong: if libertarianism and fascism are equated, then "The Libertarianism-to-Fascism Pipeline" is "The Libertarianism-to-Libertarianism Pipeline" (or "The Fascism-to-Fascism Pipeline") ... which makes no sense.

Look into remedial reading.

28 posted on 08/25/2017 10:19:03 AM PDT by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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