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Mattis hints at secret 'kinetic' military options for North Korea
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Posted on 09/19/2017 8:15:36 PM PDT by JP1201

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To: BenLurkin
Hah! The "Die Fledermaus farce!"

'Nuf said.

If it was worth anything, it was to distract Jap intelligence from the threat building in New Mexico.


61 posted on 09/20/2017 12:05:01 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: JP1201

From an earlier posts:

We will hit with the same EMP they threaten us with. The difference is, ours will be so much more effective. The motors that run their military transportation will be toast. Their electronic eyes and communications will be cooked. They will be lucky to set off a firecracker. The Pig will be hitting the red button over and over and nothing will happen. He will be sitting there down in his secret pit and we will hit him with a deep thrust of the MOAB knife into his heart.

I am sure we will use high power microwaves (HPMs)against the Norks. Much of the United States’ EMP research has involved HPMs. Such weapons are like super powerful microwave ovens. Their specialty is they can generate a super concentrated beam of microwave energy. HPMs can be mounted to a cruise missile, disrupting ground targets from above. They are precise and affect exactly where we want them to.

Another kind of device that generates an EMP is the flux compression generator (FCGs). This type of bomb, like the HPMs, requires high technology to make them work. Basically the FCG has a armature surrounded by a stator winding. The armature cylinder is filled with a high explosive. The bomb also has a power source, such as a bank of capacitors, which are discharged through the stator. When the capacitors discharge a tremendous charge through the stator, a huge magnetic field is created. At that point an explosion is set off, causing the stator to short circuit. This compresses the magnetic field, generating an intense electromagnetic burst.

This type of weapon affects a relatively small area and is nothing like the widespread damage of a nuclear EMP device. Its advantage is it can concentrate its effect on a select area, much like the HPM.

The first strike should be an EMP to take out the electronics to run the military’s “eyes.” That way a response into South Korea would have to be done blind. Not easy. North Korea’s arsenal to retaliate by hitting South Korea is their new ICBM missiles, 240mm rocket launchers and long range artillery. Forget about a missile response. Their guidance systems would be fried by EMP.

If their artillery is guided by electronic fire control, all their artillary would be toast too. Their artillery is on mobile platforms which can be rendered useless by EMP if their motors use electronic engine control units (ECU). They would be toast. And their artillary with sufficient range to hit Seoul are ONLY the M-1978s (modified to the M-1980). These have a slow firing rate at one round every five minutes. I am sure it takes electronic recalibration to recover the M-1980 from the previous shot. They would be rendered totally useless. Just in case North Korea had some quick fix to restore the electronics, just move the population beyond range while S. Korean and American forces are busy taking out everything above ground and under.

While Kim Jung-un goes down into his spider hole in some deep bunker, S. Korea would launch their F-15K Slam Eagle fighters carrying GBU-28 bunker-busting bombs with a payload of 5,000 lbs with pinpoint accuracy. He would be toast. I am sure House Chief of Staff, General John F. Kelly, has inspired President Trump’s fire and fury!


62 posted on 09/20/2017 12:14:33 AM PDT by jonrick46 (The Left has a mental illness: A totalitarian psyche.)
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To: JP1201

Ever since Trump was elected, I’ve had this repeated thought of Lasers. We have lasers on ships and on 747’s and elsewhere. there wouldn’t have to be explosions as things would just start to melt. Also, if we see a fat kid, just blast him and cook his head. We also have mobile units that emit microwaves. Turn it on and point and they will retreat. Any place they have a cluster of a few artillery, put some cluster bombs on them. It could be done before they got too many rounds off on Soul. I’m thinking shock and awe again.


63 posted on 09/20/2017 12:17:03 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: JP1201

They are stealinv language from Obama?


64 posted on 09/20/2017 12:17:39 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: BenLurkin
“...as set on fire on May 15, 1943, when armed bats were accidentally released.[5] The bats incinerated the test range and roosted under a fuel tank.”

It was canceled ‘cuz it wasn't going to be ready until 1945. Seems to me all the testing that was needed was done on May 15, 1943. Stupid bureaucrats.

65 posted on 09/20/2017 12:18:14 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts FDR's New Deal = obama)
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To: 5th MEB

What launch vehicle can put a huge rod like that into orbit?

Wiki says a rod one foot in diameter and twenty feet long would weigh over nine tons.


66 posted on 09/20/2017 1:39:09 AM PDT by JohnnyP (Thinking is hard work (I stole that from Rush).)
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To: chaosagent

Project Thor is dead and buried. Thanks Obama.


67 posted on 09/20/2017 1:43:46 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Not my circus. Not my monkeys.)
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To: JP1201

Saw interview - no mention of kinetic weapons - figment of reporter’s imagination.


68 posted on 09/20/2017 1:53:22 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: JohnnyP

Length was never specified. Could be a 3’ pancake.


69 posted on 09/20/2017 2:03:07 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Afterguard

If Jerry Pournell had lived another year he could have seen it become reality.


70 posted on 09/20/2017 2:12:23 AM PDT by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: JP1201
"Just to clarify, you said that there were possible military options that would not create a grave risk to Seoul," a reporter said later. "Are we talking kinetic options as well?"

"Yes, I don't want to go into that," Mattis said, agreeing that his closely held military option involved kinetic action, a euphemism to describe lethal military force.

I'm not convinced. This article is based on a single "yes" that is more likely to be part of his answer to the preamble to the question. Somebody needed to write 500 words and his deadline was getting a little close.

71 posted on 09/20/2017 2:27:47 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: chaosagent

Rocket propelled tungsten rods about the size of a telephone pole. Weight, hardness and velocity is the name of the game.


72 posted on 09/20/2017 3:11:48 AM PDT by Dusty Road (")
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To: Widget Jr

You didn’t learn a thing in school about world science, or did they even teach it at all? Prevailing winds are to the east, not west.


73 posted on 09/20/2017 3:33:33 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: JP1201

NK soldiers probably aren’t a very independent minded group.

What would happen if we cut off communications as a top priority?

Plus like Mike Tyson said “Everyone has a plan until they get hit”.

It’s China’s radar that will tip of NK, I fear.


74 posted on 09/20/2017 3:47:59 AM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: chaosagent
Not really. Kinetic energy is defined as energy from motion.

Let me rephrase my response.

Kinetic military action is milspeak for military action that involves lethal force.

Peacekeeping mission: Not kinetic.
Firing a Maverick missile into a truck: Kinetic.

75 posted on 09/20/2017 3:48:15 AM PDT by IndispensableDestiny
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To: Parley Baer

Gosharooti, Dear Leader! Why you have big red zit in middle of forehead. Dear Leader? Uh oh. Better run, cash last paycheck and skeedaddle.


76 posted on 09/20/2017 4:01:12 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: JP1201

First use of chemical weapons assumes that the south korean military is impotent against such an attack. People keep ignoring how great an army S. Korea has. It is world class.

It is S Korea that has built a world class, high tech industrial base. N Korea struggles to feed its people.

They are a formidable adversary that has been preparing for a N Korean attack for decades.

To believe that S Korea has not taken all this into account in their war planning is to assume they are stupid. They are, in fact, genius.


77 posted on 09/20/2017 4:30:05 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Captainpaintball
They need to destroy those two goddamned (nuclear armed?) satellites NK has up in space, that 0dunga allowed to go up and park right above us.

They're not parked but do cross over us several times per day.

Nork1
Nork2
78 posted on 09/20/2017 4:33:15 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (It's gonna be bloody.)
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To: Afterguard

Project Mjolnir.


79 posted on 09/20/2017 4:34:35 AM PDT by chemicalman (People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything.)
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To: xzins
To believe that S Korea has not taken all this into account in their war planning is to assume they are stupid. They are, in fact, genius.

Everything points to some sort of military action that depends on the south getting involved. Wouldn't it be crazy if the attack came over the Yalu river? Everyone thinks it will be the US because we're rattling cages, but the Chinese could do right and liberate the Norks and re-unify the peninsula and have a new ally in new Korea. That seems like the kind of crazy 4D chess move Trump would create.
80 posted on 09/20/2017 4:43:00 AM PDT by siberianheat
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