Posted on 09/30/2017 2:21:32 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
I have thought for some time that it was possible Iraq and Iran could re-unite in some form - in time for Ezekiel 38.
When Saddam was launching SCUD’s at Israel, I’ll suggest that the mullahs in Iran were cheering. Which is a Captain Obvious.
Can’t prove it - it was just a theory. More joint cooperation would not surprise me after this military exercise.
Why oh why did we ever attack Iraq? Lament.
Makes me sick to see our young guys with missing legs and arms....just so sad. Such a waste.
Obama’s flip of M.E. Suni (somewhat pro West) to Shia (virulently anti West) dominance is virtually complete ...
Iraq invaded Kuwait and threatened to invade Saudi Arabia.
Evil Kurd-gassing, WMD making, terror sponsoring dictator, and also to build a democracy. So now they’re democratic, and have democratically decided to just suppress Kurdish nationalistic aspirations, which are readily differentiated from Palestinian nationalistic aspirations, because they really are a distinct people who are capable of self rule, as opposed to the Palestinians.
Oh, and then there’s acting as a buffer against Iranian expansionism. Iran was supposed to oppress their Akhwazis and steal their oil, and Iraq was supposed to oppress their Kurds and steal their oil. They weren’t supposed to join forces and help oppress each other’s Kurds, and besides, Iraqis ARE Akhwazis.
OH, no not back in 91. ( I recall no threat to invade Saudi arabia ever by iraq) I was referring to the invasion of Iraq in 13 years later in march of 2003 on the pretext of wmd, where we lost 5000 lives and 40,000 wounded.
I know what you meant. What I am saying is that the two gulf wars can't be separated. Once we invaded in 91, we destabilized Iraq.
OH!! YES. We should have finished them off and taken their oil in 91. I agree with that. I actually supported the invasion in 91 as Iraq had invaded Kuwait ostensibly with our approval from the state department but at least there was a plausible supposition in which to invade and fight. After that, Saddam purged all wmd in compliance with our demands as ,of course, was fully born out by international inspections which never found any wmd. Because they didn’t find a thing we ordered them out and bombed anyway. Lament . Total truth.
I’m with you, hope Trump and his generals are too. So many “mistakes” of judgement or of greedy colonial interest. Divide and rule was the plan for composing incompatible “marriages” of colonial empires’ people, starting with WWI. I have wondered if Lawrence of Arabia was killed on purpose for opposing the colonial British viewpoint. A more recent major mistake was allowing Saddam to have the use of helicopters after we won Gulf War 1 (which my son fought in). This enabled him to destroy the Marsh Arabs and their habitat and attack the Kurds forcing a mass exodus. If this had not happened, there would have been less social disruption and perhaps less opportunity for Iranian interference.
Apparently Turkey has been urging their Kurds to leave but also stopping air traffic???
We did not attack Iraq in 1991. We responded to fears of Saudi Arabia who feared an attack, and we went in to defend Kuwait. In Feb. 1992 we only entered Iraq for 24 hours and then pulled out. I was watching carefully as my son had been in SA since August 8th or 10th. A complicating factor was that Russia was in upheaval over Gorbachov’s political changes. He was urging Bush not to fight there and was in danger of being overthrown by his own people. Which had almost happened that August. Also by December the Soviet Union was disintegrating. Personally I think we should have fought another 12 to 24 hours, and also included helicopters in the no fly zone. People were also shocked by the “Highway of Death” we created, and even our generals were shocked. The youtube video below is very informative.
http://www.edition.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/01/16/russia.iraq/index.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/20/world/middleeast/20archive.html?pagewanted=all&mcubz=0
Bush helped save Gorby but Yeltsin was the big winner: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2026340/Gorbachev-admits-received-tip-U-S-Kremlin-coup—didnt-believe-late.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhmXleZXAr0
Demography rules:
Most of Turkey’s military-age men will come from Kurdish-speaking families by 2040 or so, because Turkey’s 20 million Kurds have twice as many children as ethnic Turks. Last year I reviewed Turkey’s 2015 census data, which show the trend towards Kurdish demographic preponderance accelerating (“Turkey’s Demographic Winter and Erdogan’s Duplicity”). Concentrated in Turkey’s southeast, the Turkish Kurds dominate a part of the country contiguous to the Kurdish Autonomous Region of Iraq. After half a century of dirty war by the Turkish army against the Kurdish minority, Turkey’s Southeast might break away to join an Iraq-centered Kurdish state.
Iran faces a demographic catastrophe over the next 20 years because the present generation of Iranians were born to families of seven children, but have only one or two children. As the present generation ages, Iran’s elderly depends will comprise 30% of the total, about the same as Europe, but with about a tenth the per capita GDP. Iran will be the first country to get old before it gets rich, and its economy will implode. Like Turkey, though, Iran has huge ethnic disparities in birth rates. In Tehran province, Iranian women have less than one child apiece on average, but in the restive province of Baluchistan on the Pakistani border, women have 3.7 children.
http://www.atimes.com/the-inconvenient-kurds/
Works for me. Ethnic diversity. Luv it.
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