Posted on 10/04/2017 5:07:55 AM PDT by marktwain
I, and others have been puzzled by the time it took to enter the room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. Room 135 was where the mass killer set up to attack the Route 91 Harvest Country Music attendees.
DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Gunfire rang out last night just two floors below Chris Bethel’s Mandalay Bay Hotel room. “I could just hear the gun shots. Continuously. Just full automatic,” said Bethel. “There’s explosions going off. It was like, a bomb just went off man. And then there were more gun shots.”
The above statement does not tell us when the mass murderer stopped firing at the people below. We know that he fired for about 10 minutes at the people attending the Route 91 Harvest festival. That festival was 500 yards from his shooting position in the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel. He used bump fire type stocks on two separate rifles to simulate automatic weapons fire. He was firing from two prepared positions, set up at two separate windows. The use of two positions fits well with the pauses between bursts of fire. The first pause was 37 seconds.
An officer on the ground reported gunfire as late as 10:21. Those last shots could have been the shooting of the hotel security man outside of the mass killer's door. From newsweek.com:
10:19 p.m.:
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The police discovered the wounded guard just moments later.
Clearly the security guard was the first one there. The cops found him shot. Why Weingarten gives credit the cops for waiting an hour to bust down the door is beyond me. There could easily have been another perp in there.
The point I'm trying to make is that whether you are pro-gun or anti-gun you have to admit the so-called public safety "gun control" laws advocated by lawmakers are idiotic and ineffective. The only thing they really do is desensitize us to allowing laws that infringe on our rights. Maybe that's their real intent.
Odoriferous, very odoriferous.
I suppose but this actually doesn’t seem all that unreasonable when considering all the steps that they need to go through to get things in place. An assumption that enters into this is the wall construction on both sides of the door to the rooms… I assume 10” thick concrete but perhaps the construction was cement blocks for some of the interior walls. That would certainly be a consideration when trying to set up to go inside…..obviously they couldn’t set up outside the door with him shooting through the door but perhaps the wall itself provided insufficient protection. I wonder what the timeline is for when they figured out that there were cameras outside the room so that the police activities could be monitored. Perhaps too they already knew he had killed himself…..did they use a drone to look in the windows? If they knew he was dead, there was less need to be in a rush….
I think the bigger mystery is why he stopped firing after 10 minutes….he hadn’t run out of ammo. The only conclusion perhaps is that after he shot the security guard, he figured that entry by the police would happen within a very short period of time so he decided to end it right there.
I think the bigger mystery is why he stopped firing after 10 minutes….he hadn’t run out of ammo. The only conclusion perhaps is that after he shot the security guard, he figured that entry by the police would happen within a very short period of time so he decided to end it right there
That is a fairly common response by mass shooters when they meet resistant’.
They do not have an escape plan they plan on dying.
no, about 6 minutes in 2 police arrived on floor 32 and said there was a security guard shot in the leg when they got there.
“Why Weingarten gives credit the cops for waiting an hour to bust down the door is beyond me.”
Time needed to stage the scene?
the issue is never the issue...
Thank you for posting this article! There is so much confusion and disinformation out there as to the timeline.
FYI - it’s his article, he’s the author and poster.
Barring a high-security room/vault, there is no such thing in high-rise construction as 10” solid or block concrete walls. Especially on the 32d floor.
If the last shots were at t=13 minutes, it doesn’t really matter that the police waited another hour. In fact, given the risk of explosives and the risk to adjacent rooms, clearing the floor before breaching the door strikes me as reasonable once the shooting had stopped.
If the last shots were at t=13 minutes, it doesn’t really matter that the police waited another hour. In fact, given the risk of explosives and the risk to adjacent rooms, clearing the floor before breaching the door strikes me as reasonable once the shooting had stopped.
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Agree.
That is what the article says.
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