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Trump clears way for ObamaCare 'alternatives' in new executive order, goes around stalled Congress
Fox News. com ^ | October 11, 2017

Posted on 10/12/2017 9:08:15 AM PDT by Kaslin

The White House announced Thursday that President Trump is taking executive action on health care as Congress stalls on efforts to overhaul ObamaCare, calling for a plan that could let employers band together and offer coverage across state lines.

An executive order Trump plans to sign Thursday morning aims to offer “alternatives” to ObamaCare plans and increase competition to bring down costs.

“The time has come to give Americans the freedom to purchase health insurance across state lines, which will create a truly competitive national marketplace that will bring costs way down and provide far better care,” Trump said in a statement.TRUMP'S HEALTH CARE EXECUTIVE ORDER: WHAT TO KNOW

According to officials, Trump will direct the secretary of labor to consider expanding access to Association Health Plans, which could allow employers to form groups across state lines offering coverage. According to the White House, these plans could offer lower rates.

Those "association health plans" could be shielded from some state and federal insurance requirements. But responding to concerns, the White House said participating employers could not exclude any workers from the plan, or charge more to those in poor health.

The order also calls on other federal agencies to consider expanding coverage in low-cost, short-term insurance plans not subject to ObamaCare rules.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 115th; aca; ahca; executiveorder; healthcare; healthcareinterstate; interstatehealthcare; obamacare; repealandreplace; trump; trump0carenightmare; trumpacasubsidies; trumpeo; trumphealthcare; trumphealthcareeo
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To: Kaslin

The problem with circumventing Congress is that the next president can reverse the E.O.’s.

Obamacare vested much authority into the Health and Human Services Secretary actions. Those can also be changed by the next HHS.

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Obamacare needs to be killed, voted out, stomped on, salted and burned, put in a hole and buried, and have concrete poured over the remains.


21 posted on 10/12/2017 9:29:26 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Kaslin

President Trump keeps on plugging away - his attitude and energy for the People are astounding.


22 posted on 10/12/2017 9:32:37 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: TomGuy

To those who are lamenting the fact that this is not permanent legislation, I would offer that it is a good first step, and sets the precedent that Obamacare is NOT completely inviolate. It can serve to encourage the Congress to get with it and follow suit. It can also demonstrate to the public that insurance premiums and deductibles CAN be lower when you are not covering everything that Obamacare requires.


23 posted on 10/12/2017 9:33:34 AM PDT by mtrott
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To: DannyTN

The Affordable Care Act gives the president a lot of discretion to do exactly what is being done here.


24 posted on 10/12/2017 9:36:05 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: gathersnomoss
Plus, this EO can be immediately reversed in 8 years.

And the sun could stop shining, Yellowstone could blow it's top...

8 years from now, this would be well established and people wouldn't stand for the federal gov't taking control of our health care again.

Golly, don't take a knee so easily

25 posted on 10/12/2017 9:36:08 AM PDT by maine-iac7 ( Christian is as Christian does mt-h)
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To: LRoggy

“No, he’s DEREGULATING a regulation that was on the books”

Appreciate your informative post. FR is such a valuable place for getting the facts!


26 posted on 10/12/2017 9:38:10 AM PDT by Cedar
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To: Kaslin

WINNING , WINNING , WINNING !!!!


27 posted on 10/12/2017 9:40:23 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 ()-: There is nothing democratic about the democrat party :-()
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To: animal172

There is an element of our president versus their president and executive orders here. Those on the other side simply might not like this. However, this truly is attempting to fix an identified problem with Obamacare. Many people are choosing not to take Obamacare and instead are paying a penalty. Then when they do have a medical issue, they apply for Obamacare. In other words they are getting insurance without having insurance. With this executive order, president Trump is at least getting a large block of uninsured people, about 30 million of them to be exact, under an insurance plan. That means they will not cost the government money for coverage if they do get sick. In that way this actually supplements the current law and it does take care of people


28 posted on 10/12/2017 9:44:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Lionheartusa1

Life is grand, isn’t it?


29 posted on 10/12/2017 9:44:49 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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To: xzins

“The Secretary Shall...” It appears over and over throughout that entire bill.


30 posted on 10/12/2017 9:47:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

Than that arrogan’t pos former occupant of 1600 Pennsylsvania Ave should have been impeached at least 100 times, if they had done their job.


31 posted on 10/12/2017 9:48:30 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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To: Kaslin

I detest executive orders, but this one is very Constitutional, free market. Now if he could get rid of congressional exemption.. which he can’t.. I would be thrilled. Unfortunately all of their exemptions to Obamacare and insider trading is untouchable. Wonder why?


32 posted on 10/12/2017 9:48:34 AM PDT by momincombatboots (White Stetsons up.. let's save our country!)
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To: animal172
"Just food for thought, but we were all outraged by Obama’s use of Executive orders during his eight year reign of terror. As much as I agree with our President’s use of the Executive order in this instance are we being hypocritical?"

There's no comparison.

This president actually loves America.

33 posted on 10/12/2017 9:49:52 AM PDT by daler
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To: Alberta's Child
The Affordable Care Act gives the president a lot of discretion to do exactly what is being done here

I suspect as much, but I would like to see specifics. As in specific provisions of the EO paired with specific provisions in the law. If someone knows?

34 posted on 10/12/2017 9:50:12 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Kaslin; All
I often cringe when I hear that Pres. Trump is using an executive order to go around Congress. This is because the Supreme Court has clarified that executive orders are not law and must be legislatively supported by Congress, legislation necessarily complying with Congress’s constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers.

In other words, the corrupt, uniparty Congress had let lawless Obama get away with not only stealing legislative powers to make unconstitutional executive orders, but many of Obama’s orders were based on stolen state powers imo.

But so far, every time I get the details about a Trump executive order, he seems to be reversing either one of Obama’s unconstitutional executive orders or reversing one of Congress's unconstitutional laws, laws likewise based on stolen state powers.

In this example, since a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting Supreme Court justices had clarified that contracts are not commerce, regulating insurance contracts therefore not within the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.1), the Obamacare insurance mandate therefore unconstitutional imo, Trump’s insurance-related executive order is effectively repealing an unconstitutional federal law.

Patriots need to make sure that there are plenty of state sovereignty-respecting, Trump-supporting patriot candidates on the primary ballots and pink-slip career lawmakers by sending these patriot candidate lawmakers to DC on election day 2018.

35 posted on 10/12/2017 10:10:50 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Exec order or HHS order or both required?


36 posted on 10/12/2017 10:11:19 AM PDT by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Support our troops by praying for their victory.)
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To: Kaslin

In spite of all the obstacles he delivers more for Americans than congress . I believe he really cares about all Americans .


37 posted on 10/12/2017 10:15:41 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 ()-: There is nothing democratic about the democrat party :-()
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To: animal172
As much as I agree with our President’s use of the Executive order in this instance are we being hypocritical?

In a word: Yes. I believe any use of Executive Orders no matter who is President simply short-circuits the legislative process and is an infraction of the Separation of Powers clause.

Having said that, the same thing that's happening to Obama EO's can and likely WILL happen to President Trump's EO's in the future: Nullified/revoked by the next President.

I'm "ok" with this as an EO (yes, that makes me a hypocrite) for the time being, there is NO SUBSTITUTE for the legislative execution of REPEAL and REPLACE via LAW of Obamacare.

38 posted on 10/12/2017 10:19:46 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Lionheartusa1

I believe he does too.


39 posted on 10/12/2017 10:28:22 AM PDT by Kaslin (Politicians are not born; they are excreted -Civilibus nati sunt; sunt excernitur. (Cicero))
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To: daler

I believe the President also has the authority to put the swamp critters on obamacare just like everyone else.

If the ba$tard$ don’t pass tax reform, he needs to do this.


40 posted on 10/12/2017 10:28:29 AM PDT by Chauncey Gardiner
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