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TO END GUN VIOLENCE, ABANDON THE WAR ON DRUGS
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Posted on 10/22/2017 10:11:49 AM PDT by JP1201

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To: rebel25

Simpler solution. Poison all the drugs on the street.


61 posted on 10/22/2017 1:51:50 PM PDT by oldasrocks (rump)
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To: JP1201
Heroin is a trademark of AG Bayer, (like Aspirin). Many years ago, it was sold over the counter.

However, people became addicted to that and other drugs and unproductive and so these drugs were outlawed.

Today, many people are still addicted to drugs and unproductive, the drugs are still outlawed PLUS there are drive-by shootings and little old ladies are getting mugged, because enforcement keeps drug prices high.

I don't think the strategy is working.

62 posted on 10/22/2017 2:28:56 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Gun buybacks are one of the most ineffectual public policies that have ever been invented")
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To: Sooth2222
Little Amsterdams?

(Or, as the idea was dramatized years ago on the HBO series "The Wire", Hamsterdam?)

63 posted on 10/22/2017 2:31:17 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Gun buybacks are one of the most ineffectual public policies that have ever been invented")
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To: JockoManning

The crap you posted is from George Soros’ Drug Policy Alliance.


64 posted on 10/22/2017 2:58:31 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: JP1201

As long as what you do brings no harm to anyone else it’s no one’s busy what you do to yourself. If you rob someone for money to buy drugs you should be charged with robbery ect. Who are we to tell someone what they can do to themselves.


65 posted on 10/22/2017 3:03:36 PM PDT by saturn
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To: saturn

A libertarian approach to drugs only works if there’s no welfare. Welfare provides a taxpayer supported feather bed to fall to relieve the user of the consequences.


66 posted on 10/22/2017 3:08:45 PM PDT by Reily
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To: JP1201

Seems the new President of the Philippines knew how to deal with the drug dealers & drug users.

He declared open season on both with no questions asked.

It has made a terrific difference there.

Would like to use the same methods here.

Cheaper to bury them all once & for all than to keep running them thru the revolving door of the USA judicial system.


67 posted on 10/22/2017 3:26:05 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Reily

In my plan when you buy crack, herion ect there would be an extra fee, that fee would cover resuscitation, of course there would need to be a sure way to identify that person was covered, I haven’t figured that out yet, maybe a yearly tatoo, but if you didn’t have that tatoo you get picked up after their sure your dead by inmates on work release “ pretty cheap labor there “ and your taken to the local incinerator, unless your family wants to cover the funeral cost. There wouldn’t be many drug addicts for very long. I know it’s wishful thinking with all the do gooders today, but it would work, harsh I know, but life can suck.


68 posted on 10/22/2017 3:28:52 PM PDT by saturn
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To: ridesthemiles

You want the police and military summarily executing people in the streets?

Of course you do, because you think it won’t be you begging for your life because they make a mistake.

Or your family caught in the cross fire because now, everyone including the corner boys have nothing to lose. So the moment they see a uniform the open fire instead of just running.

Yeah... good plan!


69 posted on 10/22/2017 3:52:51 PM PDT by JP1201
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To: Reily

Opposition to the welfare state is often considered to be a defining feature of libertarianism...


70 posted on 10/22/2017 3:55:18 PM PDT by JP1201
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To: JP1201

True!
Just pointing out that the approach only makes sense if there’s no welfare.


71 posted on 10/22/2017 3:57:11 PM PDT by Reily
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To: JP1201

This.

The drug war has been the root cause for more violence, wasted expenditures, and freedom crushing legislation than any other source.

What is more immoral, the use of recreational narcotics or the violence associated with the unregulated trade?

Violence is out of control, citizens move away from urban areas, which continue to fall in decay. Citizens deem that nowhere is safe anymore, and arm themselves. Some in government push back against this, and citizens arm themselves against the government even more.

Drug war continues, minorities overrepresented. Police shoot more minorities in response to the drug war. Minorities and their supporters threaten civil war, first with protests and now with the threats of Antifa and BLM.

Prisons are full of VIOLENT drug dealers, who will never assimilate back into law abiding society.

We have mass graves in our southern border, perpetuated by narco cartels whose only interest is feeding the unregulated market.

Its long past time to end this. The cure is worse than the disease.

——signed, a 20 year veteran of the WOD.


72 posted on 10/22/2017 4:46:45 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (Destroying the vestiges of the First Civil War is ensuring the Second.)
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To: MarvinStinson
Do you have any documentation on that? I'm not aware of such a connection.

Certainly the Brene Brown and Attachment Disorder stuff is not from Soros except that his oligarchy co-horts have worked for more than 100 years to destroy the family and fatherhood.

And in terms of Portugal, the proof was in the pudding. The drug related problems went massively down when they focused on teaching addicts to make viable emotionally bonded CONNECTIONS with healthy people.

Those facts are fairly obvious for folks even minimally wells read and informed.

73 posted on 10/22/2017 5:00:51 PM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: ridesthemiles
I wouldn't lose much sleep over drug dealers getting terminated. Ditto the beneficiaries in the black ops and other oligarchy oversight groups running the drug running etc.

In terms of shooting the average drug addict ... RAD is overwhelmingly responsible for their addictions. It's rather simple logic to work to correct the lack of CONNECTION by teaching and providing CONNECTION.

Do your sons (&/or daughters) have any significant degree of RAD?

That it works to diminish the severity and numbers of addicts should not be that shocking.

74 posted on 10/22/2017 5:09:02 PM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: JockoManning

You posted this url

https://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/default/files/DPA_Fact_Sheet_Portugal_Decriminalization_Feb2015.pdf

Did you bother to look at it?

Here’s what it says at the bottom of every page:

Drug Policy Alliance | 131 West 33rd Street, 15th Floor, New York, NY 10001
nyc@drugpolicy.org | 212.613.8020 voice | 212.613.8021 fax


75 posted on 10/22/2017 5:09:58 PM PDT by MarvinStinson
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To: Molon Labbie
True enough.

95% of those in prison have very serious degrees of Attachment Disorder as a root cause.

76 posted on 10/22/2017 5:10:47 PM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: MarvinStinson
I looked at a list of docs on the Portugal changes and their results.

I did not track down the sources or funders. I chose that article because I thought it was a good summary with good graphics.

Even demonic, horrific oligarchy stooge Soros can occasionally fund some truth.

77 posted on 10/22/2017 5:13:37 PM PDT by JockoManning (to cpy/paste if want: http://preview.tinyurl.com/Haiku-For-The-End-Times)
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To: usurper

Think real hard about what you wrote and explain why that would be a bad thing...


78 posted on 10/23/2017 1:32:35 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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To: logi_cal869
Think real hard about what you wrote and explain why that would be a bad thing...

Because it not just killing scum bags, its killing otherwise normal people and tearing through the red states and small communities throughout the country.

My best friends lost his son last year to opiods. I had watch this kid grow up, he was a great kid, hard worker volunteer fighter and had his sights set on being an EMT. He was strong, healthy and had a great positive attitude.

One day he was not felling well and took a sick day went home and went to sleep. He never woke up. He died of respiratory failure. It would have been better if he had passed out in public then perhaps some could have helped him but he just passed away alone and his short life was at an end at 24.

Watching the total devastation it caused to his family was the worst part. You look for answers and reasons and there is none.

This is happening everyday across the country and needs to stop now. I seen enough pictures of parents passed out in their vehicle with kids still in their child seats for one lifetime.

These drugs are highly additive and no one is immune once hooked. Which is why big pharma spends so much on bribing congress to keep access to their market. The Mexican and Colombian cartels aren't the only ones pedaling death for prophet.

79 posted on 10/23/2017 9:31:13 AM PDT by usurper ( version)
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To: usurper

This is gonna sound like backtracking, but it isn’t.
This going to sound like critique because it is.

This thread wrote of the war on drugs; you are writing about that which I outline in my book, the war on public health. Obviously your use of oxy was not the metaphor I believed it to be. Your personal experience is shocking, but it has no relation at all to the war on drugs. In fact, it is the cutting and refining of opium which makes it so deadly-addictive.

I met a guy who was treating soldiers & sailors in Vietnam during the war for opium addiction; 2 days later they were fine, but that was pure opium. I agree wholeheartedly with you on the pharmaceutical industry (war on public health), but the comparison between the war on drugs and this asinine movement to ban guns is valid for a reason. I don’t have all the solutions, but the example in this respect as it’s been set in some European countries merits study.

The WOD is so wondrously-lucrative to government that I fear that not only is this a war that will never be won, but that it - like the war on public health - is a war which is being prosecuted to be perpetual.

Go figure.

Thus, in the interest of a free public, it is mandated that we explore all options for removing government from the equation. In this case a serious study on legalization.

“Our politicians’ fetish for solutions that criminalize non-violent citizens guarantees that an ineffective solution that exerts more government control will be put forth long before they’ll consider an effective policy that might scale it back.”

The author is exactly right.


80 posted on 10/23/2017 8:04:06 PM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus-)
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