Posted on 10/23/2017 8:53:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
“Has American Policy Created a Monster in Iraq?”
Of course GW did. Its exactly what I predicted when the neocons were beating the war drums to overthrow Saddam. As odious and brutal as he was that is exactly what is needed in those god forsaken mideast countries. He was no threat and was contained, As a bonus he was a bulwark against Iranian adventurism.Between Bush and the bumbling Obama just look at the freaking ISIS cluster democrat we’ve got now!
The Kurds in every region are our friends, or at least not our enemies and are HATED by our enemies: Iran and Syria!
Honestly, i see no real good that came out of that. Certainly not worth all the blood and treasure we spent there...
i remember the neocons did not want the iraq war...neocons are like liberals when it comes to war except they want nothing to do with outside conflicts because of their non-interventionist mentality...
I have yet to hear a cogent explanation of why I should give a sh*t about the governance of former Turkish vilayets such as Basra, Mosul, and Baghdad.
Especially since we allowed the slaughter of 4000 of our irreplaceable heroes, the maiming of 30 000 others, and the sinking of rivers of cash in their worthless desert.
For all I care, they can kill each other for the next 10 000 years.
Being classically educated even the Founding Fathers would have known better than to get involved in ME tribal squabbles. Unfortunately most modern politicians can barely remember how to spell their own names.
Also don’t forget that with the USSR defunct the International Bankers needed a new unending global conflict and their lackey, Daddy Bush, gave it to them (and us).
Yes, Iraq is now a satellite of Iran.
Why is Syria “our enemy”?
For starters they hate us and specifically hate Israel!
Go back to 2002 and you will find that the Kurds were on the road to being instrumental against Saddam and Iraq. This was until Turkey threatened to disallow “coalition troops” usage of air space and its bases, if the Kurds were armed and part of it. I remember thinking, WTH is GW thinking.
Obama said so.
RE: Being classically educated even the Founding Fathers would have known better than to get involved in ME tribal squabbles.
Let’s not all forget the reason we got into Iraq in the first place -— BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN HAD WMD’s IN VIOLATION OF THE UN AGREEMENT.
We have to answer the same questions when it comes to Iran and North Korea. Do we leave them with Nukes, or do we go to war with them?
If the latter, what do we do after the regime is brought down? Do we get involved in their nation building or do we say “OK, the Ayatollah’s (or fat Kim ) are gone, you’re on your own”
Hey, they got to vote once, what more do you want?
In agreement with Bones.
Don’t forget that the Kurds stood fast against ISIS when the Iraqis cut and ran from their convoy of jag-offs packed in new Toyota pick up trucks in the summer of 2014.
RE: For all I care, they can kill each other for the next 10 000 years.
I think that’s what Obama seems to have said ( of course, not in the words you used ). He was prepared to leave the place.... and you know what happened next -— ISIS took over a huge part of the country.
So, the question is this — Do we leave a presence there until we are sure the country is stable? Or do we cut and run like Obama and leave groups like ISIS ( if not them, some other terrorist entity ) to take over?
I should have known it was going to be a disaster as soon as Hillary supported the war. Everything ... absolutely everything ... she touches turns to feces.
Turkey’s recent crackdown, arrest, torture, murder, etc. of those who attempted to overthrow the dictator Ergodan is intertwined with freedom loving Kurds.
I am shaking my head at the regret I read in these threads... I remember over 15 years ago when MOST FReepers were supporting W. in his quest to overthrow Saddam.
The next question we should ask ourselves is this — are any wars worth fighting for anymore?
North Korea? Iran?
Maybe Rand Paul or his dad should have been President....
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