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1 posted on 10/23/2017 8:53:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“Has American Policy Created a Monster in Iraq?”

Of course GW did. Its exactly what I predicted when the neocons were beating the war drums to overthrow Saddam. As odious and brutal as he was that is exactly what is needed in those god forsaken mideast countries. He was no threat and was contained, As a bonus he was a bulwark against Iranian adventurism.Between Bush and the bumbling Obama just look at the freaking ISIS cluster democrat we’ve got now!


2 posted on 10/23/2017 9:02:02 AM PDT by Bonemaker
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Amen!

The Kurds in every region are our friends, or at least not our enemies and are HATED by our enemies: Iran and Syria!

3 posted on 10/23/2017 9:02:21 AM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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I have yet to hear a cogent explanation of why I should give a sh*t about the governance of former Turkish vilayets such as Basra, Mosul, and Baghdad.

Especially since we allowed the slaughter of 4000 of our irreplaceable heroes, the maiming of 30 000 others, and the sinking of rivers of cash in their worthless desert.

For all I care, they can kill each other for the next 10 000 years.


6 posted on 10/23/2017 9:08:10 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like)
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Being classically educated even the Founding Fathers would have known better than to get involved in ME tribal squabbles. Unfortunately most modern politicians can barely remember how to spell their own names.

Also don’t forget that with the USSR defunct the International Bankers needed a new unending global conflict and their lackey, Daddy Bush, gave it to them (and us).


7 posted on 10/23/2017 9:10:49 AM PDT by Seruzawa (TANSTAAFL!)
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Yes, Iraq is now a satellite of Iran.


8 posted on 10/23/2017 9:12:32 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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"Unrest" in the ME. wow. Whod-a-thunkit? d;^)

In agreement with Bones.

15 posted on 10/23/2017 9:20:09 AM PDT by CopperTop (Outside the wire it's just us chickens. Dig?)
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Created a monster? Probably. W set it up and Obama’s finished the job, took both of them to get it done. For the record, Trump was against the whole thing.

I should have known it was going to be a disaster as soon as Hillary supported the war. Everything ... absolutely everything ... she touches turns to feces.

18 posted on 10/23/2017 9:23:09 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie
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What?!

There wasn’t a monster in Iraq before?

Oh, yeah, that was the short period from the surge under G.W. Bush to when Obama unilaterally pulled out U.S. forces...


21 posted on 10/23/2017 9:25:24 AM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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This problem was started in the early 1900's by the damn Brits!

The Kingdom of Iraq under British Administration, or Mandatory Iraq (Arabic: الانتداب البريطاني على العراق‎‎ al-Intidāb al-Brīṭānī ‘Alá al-‘Irāq), was created in 1921, following the 1920 Iraqi Revolt against the proposed British Mandate of Mesopotamia, and enacted via the 1922 Anglo-Iraqi Treaty. Faisal ibn Husayn, who had been proclaimed King of Syria by a Syrian National Congress in Damascus in March 1920, was ejected by the French in July of the same year. Faisal was then granted by the British the territory of Iraq, to rule it as a kingdom, with the British Royal Air Force (RAF) retaining certain military control, though de facto; the territory remained under British administration until 1932.[1]

The civil government of postwar Iraq was headed originally by the High Commissioner, Sir Percy Cox, and his deputy, Colonel Arnold Wilson. British reprisals after the murder of a British officer in Najaf failed to restore order.

The most striking problem facing the British was the growing anger of the nationalists, who continued to fight against the imposition of British authority. British administration had yet to be established in Iraqi Kurdistan.

100 hundred years later, we are still involved in fighting that the Brits set up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Iraq

25 posted on 10/23/2017 9:27:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Trump is kicking their a$$es, they, ______________, want to quit. (Fill in the blank!))
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There are three distinct people groups in Iraq who don’t want to get along.

The Kurds want to draw a line in the north and be left alone.

US policy is to befriend them and then let them down. It’s how we roll.


26 posted on 10/23/2017 9:30:21 AM PDT by lurk
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There are three distinct people groups in Iraq who don’t want to get along.

The Kurds want to draw a line in the north and be left alone.

US policy is to befriend them and then let them down. It’s how we roll.


28 posted on 10/23/2017 9:33:08 AM PDT by lurk
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“Has American Policy Created a Monster in Iraq?”


Obama’s foreign policy created a monster. not America's

30 posted on 10/23/2017 9:34:58 AM PDT by rdcbn
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“If there is a symbol of U.S. policy gone awry...”

No, it is a symbol of different tribes in the ME’s inability to live and let live. For every armchair general out there decrying our wars in Afghanistan and Iraq just think of how much fun Osama and Saddam would be having with Rocketman right now.


35 posted on 10/23/2017 9:48:58 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom not more government)
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This may all boil down to the man Bush selected as the new replacement for Saddam Hussein.

He was too cozy with Iran.

It now appears Iran has way too much control in Iraq.

I tried to be supportive of Bush in the Iraq theater. He may have sold us out all along.

These moderate Republicans can’t think much clearer than the Democrats can.

We pile on Obama for making an agreement with Iran that will see them get nukes and the ability to deliver them.

We haven’t piled on sufficiently, me included, to Bush for not putting a die hard nationalist in Iraq. We very well could be seeing Iran against the Kurds, not Iraq or just Iraq.

Bush didn’t suddenly become an idiot the first day after his second term ended.

Sadly...


37 posted on 10/23/2017 9:52:10 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (John McBane is the turd in the national punch-bowl.)
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No matter what you do for or to a muslim, at the end of the day, you are still the infidel and he will still hate you.


39 posted on 10/23/2017 9:55:53 AM PDT by umgud
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Nevertrump Review is just getting around to asking the questions Trump started answering publically in 2015.


55 posted on 10/23/2017 11:41:15 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (I was not elected to continue a failed system. I was elected to change it. --Donald J. Trump)
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There have always been plenty of monsters in the Middle East.

We could blame the Ottomans, the Brits, the Soviets, the French for harboring Khomeni, Jimmuh Carter for handing Iran over to Khomeni, Bush for taking out Saddam, Obama for shunting aside the duly elected pro-American Iraq Prime Minister (Iyad Allawi) to install the pro-Iranian Nouri al-Maliki, releasing the worst monsters from prison, and then pulling out and throwing the country and our allies to the wolves.

But regardless of whatever external actors do, they do in a nest of vipers that is the Middle East. The place is packed with bad actors, no matter what anyone does.


60 posted on 10/23/2017 2:25:38 PM PDT by BeauBo
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