U.S. Report Says Humans Cause Climate Change, Contradicting Top Trump Officials

https://www.nytimes.com ^ | 11/03/2017 | By LISA FRIEDMAN and GLENN THRUSH

[UCANSEE2]

First, it is not rubbish.

Second, you then go on to make, more or less, the same statement I did.

The only provable influence we have on weather (not climate) is localised, trivial and mostly beneficial, like urban heat islands, irrigation, massive tree planting.

Third, I don't believe I said WE are changing the CLIMATE. I was referring to LOCAL WEATHER.

[okie 54]

Just think Cave men caused the end of the ice age cooking dinosaurs with wood

[stylin19a]

thanks. There's no backup to that statement and I wonder how they could possible make it much less release it. To me it blows up anything they have to say about CO2.
In reading through this document ( trust me, I read it in almost pure ignorance ), it makes so many claims with so many suppositions that it seems worthless as an authoritative reference on climate.

[nopardons]

So am I and am just as sick and tired of the kneepad wearing, fawning, “you can’t say a bad word against/point out where Trump is wrong” crowd as well.

[Aliska]

After the mini discussion, I got to wondering just what was in the subsoil, would have to be rich to support all those trees. Some of it was self-sustaining or replenishing with the leaves decaying, etc.

Then there must have been some dinosaurs or other large animals which would require a rich savannah like you mentioned.

I remember a short stroll through Muir Woods many years ago. It was eerily quiet and, aside from my husband, not another human. I didn't want to stay too long, but I was remembering that there didn't seem to be a lot of undergrowth at that time and dirt-packed trails, could be remembering it wrong.

[Aliska]

I don't think I read it but I know there was terrible pollution. LA was horrible with smog, may still have some but not like it was; experienced it first-hand on vacations. NYC on a summer visit felt like a canyon with the smell of diesel fuel. For miles and miles along the major highway (no interstates then) going east along the southern part of Pittsburg, it smelled terrible, like burning rubber.

And streams were polluted; the great lakes were bad. We didn't have eagles, Canada Geese, pelicans then. Some of it is due to migration and changes in habitat due in part to humans crowding them out, but I believe we have made progress in cleaning up the environment. We still have fish and bird kills but most now seem to be from sudden runoff from confinement operations and spills, and we have people contracted or hired to get right on it and try to clean it up .

The Rocky Mountain Arsenal groundwater was terribly contaminated; I saw a sample of it. I am assuming they have tried to clean that up as much as possible.

They say the old way of farming with cross pollinated hybrid seeds required more dangerous chemicals than the roundup and other stuff we are using now. I can't speak to what was used before as to chemicals and weed control but am not convinced roundup and other chemicals are any safer. Something has killed all our honeybees.

I don't use chemicals on my lawn unless almost forced to. I have sprayed roundup myself and liked the effectiveness of it. I got this horrible clover in some compost and we scattered 2-4-d which did get rid of the nasty stuff before it went to seed, but now I'm told that it is the same active ingredient used in agent orange.

This stuff can't be good for our birds and pets. Or us.

I refuse to close my mind to some of these things, come from a Republican but conservation-minded family.

[depressed in 06]

At least, Trump has a list of people to fire.

[Godebert]

"13 federal agencies unveiled an exhaustive scientific report on Friday that says humans are the dominant cause of the global temperature rise....."

The amazing part of this story is that we are PAYING a bunch of lefty bureaucrats in THIRTEEN FEDERAL AGENCIES to push this horsecrap?

Is it any wonder we are TWENTY TRILLION DOLLARS IN DEBT!!!

[PIF]

The book was still a fraud based on junk science and disproven numerous times -— millions have died in Africa and elsewhere because of the DDT ban which was the end result of the media outcry - there was nothing in it do do with rivers or smog. All of that came later.

Love the smell of diesel in the morning, not from the new over-engineered horrible smelling junk today, but good old 671s and so on.

Yeah, big assumptions about cleaning up various super sites — mostly they just entomb them in concrete allowing the leaching to occur over a longer period.The EPA is a Nixonian nightmare which should have been still born.

I spray glyphosate (RoundUp, but more concentrated) by the dozen gallon and sometimes by the hundred gallon same for MECamine (commercial version of 2-4-D).

I do not really care where you come from or your political philosophy.

[Bob434]

you’re right, but the sad fact is reason and facts have practically lost- and the lie of ‘man-caused global warming’ is now the ‘new truth’ and anyone that doesn’t believe the malarky is deemed ‘anti-science’ because ‘a consensus of scientists believe man is to blame’ (Which by the way is another lie they have perpetrated- more scientists think nature is causing it- NOT man- the ‘consensus’ stems from just the scientists that worked on the IPCC report- and they even threw out those scientists in that group who disagreed with the findings so that they could say ‘the consensus of scientists believe man is to blame- i could point you to where they got exposed for that lie- but you can find it by typing in ‘most scientists do n ot believe man is to blame for climate change’

The climate change crowd are a bunch of dirty dirty liars- and sadly they have convinced a majority of people around hte world that we are to blame- and they ignorantly gobble it up as fact-

Check out climatedepot.org http://www.climatedepot.com/ they have tons of actual scientific info that refutes the claims that man is to blame

[stylin19a]

thanks. bookmarked.

[stylin19a]

I contacted katharine hayhoe, of the co-authors, about providing some context to the statement I was scratchin my head over. Here is her response:

"The fact that temperature and sea level was much higher back then is a serious cause for concern.
We all understand how it takes years, even decades, before we start to experience the effects of smoking a pack of cigarettes a day.
In the same way, it takes centuries for the Earth's climate system to equilibrate to the enormous amount of CO2 we are dumping into the atmosphere.
We will not see the full effects of our actions for a long time, but what the paleoclimate record tells us is that when that happens, the world will be a very different place.
Even if we could miraculously freeze levels of atmospheric CO2 at 400ppm, the amount of long-term change will be nearly unimaginable.
Two-thirds of the world's largest cities and the land that a substantial fraction of the world's population currently lives on will be under water."

[Bob434]

well write her back and have her explain to you how just 0.00136% of the atmosphere can possibly be causing global climate change- Also ask her what caused the large amount of CO2 back when? and then ask “If there were large amounts of CO2 back when- how can you, with a straight face, claim that man is the cause for global climate change? Our production of CO2 amounts to just 0.00136% of the atmosphere- If I dump 0.00136% of 100 degree water into an olympic sized pool of 90 degree water- it is NOT going to cause catastrophic change to the water- it will almost immediately reach equilibrium-” Then tell her people are sick and tired of the climate alarmist lies-