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Trump has made Kate Steinle’s case about immigration. It’s not.
Wa Po ^ | Dec 1, 2017 | David Bier

Posted on 12/01/2017 8:14:08 PM PST by upchuck

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To: upchuck
This is an absolutely explosive issue and it appears that neither coastal elite has appreciated just how explosive. Certainly not the political doyens of San Francisco, who appear shocked at the blowback. Here the WaPo has dipped a magisterial oar into a lake and found it a torrent, and the author is painfully clueless as to just how very unpleasant this is likely to get for the side that considers the victim's life meaningless in the face of their grand politics.

This sort of thing is why Trump won. What we have in San Francisco is an affirmation that a member of any "protected" class is above the law up to and including the killing of another human being. What is surprising is that they're surprised.

41 posted on 12/01/2017 9:29:30 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Taxman
Have at it!

What's wrong with that?

If it wasn't for immigration....we'd all be Indians.

42 posted on 12/01/2017 9:31:07 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs...same thing)
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To: bkopto

That pic’s a keeper.


43 posted on 12/01/2017 9:35:04 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain (I don't give a damn about your feelings. Try to impress me with your convictions.)
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To: upchuck

The ‘Rats are criminals too. It’s all about criminality.


44 posted on 12/01/2017 9:36:00 PM PST by Paladin2 (No spelchk nor wrong word auto substition on mobile dev. Please be intelligent and deal with it....)
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To: BookmanTheJanitor

He does not look old enough to have a son or daughter. If he ever does have a child, I pray he never experiences what Kate’s father must endure.


45 posted on 12/01/2017 9:37:48 PM PST by HonkyTonkMan
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To: upchuck
Image and video hosting by TinyPic I like to pee on that newspaper.
46 posted on 12/01/2017 9:43:00 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all white armed conservatives)
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To: upchuck

he’ll be in hippy beads on the cover of the Rolling Stone next week


47 posted on 12/01/2017 9:54:39 PM PST by blueplum ( "...this moment is your moment: it belongs to you... " President Donald J. Trump, Jan 20, 2017)
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To: upchuck

Wait a minue. Is this the guy when ICE asked for him the Sheriff said they were holding him for a drug charge then later dropped the charges and released him. I have not seen it in any of the articles.

Anyone know if this is the same guy?


48 posted on 12/01/2017 10:50:42 PM PST by joshua c (To disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives)
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To: Dragonspirit

REMEMBER WHO WAS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATED WHEN THIS HAPPENED AND WHO HAD NEUTERED ICE, THE BORDER PATROL, AND EVEN FEDERAL AGENCIES IN TERMS OF CARRYING OUT IMMIGRATION LAWS.

As for the opinion writer, he’s from the CATO Institute, a once reputable libertarian think tank. Today it is more like a leftist Drunk Tank.


49 posted on 12/01/2017 11:02:06 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: upchuck
Even when Garcia Zarate did make it over the border in the early 1990s, he never committed violent crimes, but rather activities such as “inhaling vapors,” selling “imitation drugs” and possessing marijuana and heroin.
50 posted on 12/02/2017 1:08:24 AM PST by MarvinStinson (`1`)
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To: Billthedrill

“the author is painfully clueless as to just how very unpleasant this is likely to get for the side that considers the victim’s life meaningless in the face of their grand politics.”


51 posted on 12/02/2017 1:09:59 AM PST by MarvinStinson (`1`)
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To: upchuck

David J. Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity. He is an expert on visa reform, border security, and interior enforcement, and his work has been cited in theWashington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Politico, and many other print and online publications.

From 2013 to 2015, Mr. Bier drafted immigration legislation as senior policy advisor for Congressman Raúl Labrador, a member of the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security. Previously, he worked as the immigration policy analyst at the Competitive Enterprise Institute and most recently as the director of immigration policy at the Niskanen Center.

Mr. Bier has a B.A. in political science from Grove City College in Pennsylvania.


52 posted on 12/02/2017 1:14:05 AM PST by MarvinStinson (`1`)
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To: Seaplaner

Muslim Americans Are More Likely to Reject Violence than Many Groups

US Muslims are tolerant, peaceful, and integrated into American society.

by David J. Bier , Matthew La Corte
https://fee.org/articles/muslim-americans-are-more-likely-to-reject-violence-than-many-groups/

Donald Trump has proposed profiling Muslim Americans and shutting down mosques. He claims that Muslim “hatred is beyond comprehension.” But the truth is that Muslim Americans are not only integrating into U.S. society, but are actually more opposed to violence and more tolerant than many other Americans.

Muslim Americans Hold Mainstream Religious and Political Views

US Muslims score higher than most on Gallup’s religious tolerance index.

Muslims are similar to other religious Americans. Pew’s major survey of Muslims in 2011 found that religion was equally important to Christian and Muslim Americans. Christians and Muslims also attend religious services with about the same frequency. Only 35 percent of Muslims saw their religion as the only true faith, compared to 30 percent of Christians. Like 64 percent of U.S. Christians, a majority of Muslim Americans think different religions can lead to eternal life. Pew even found that Muslims are much less prone to scriptural literalism than Evangelicals.

Most American Muslims arrived in the United States after 1990, yet they are almost as likely as Christians to prioritize their American identity over their religious identity. As matter of fact, Muslims are much more likely than Evangelical Christians to see themselves as Americans first. More than two-thirds of Evangelicals identify as Christians first and Americans second.

The fear that Muslim Americans might be more loyal to other Muslims around the world than they are to their own country is unfounded. Gallup’s major survey of American Muslims in 2010 found that Muslim Americans were the least likely of any American religious group to strongly identify with their coreligionists abroad.

Far from being clannish, Pew found that 93 percent of Muslim Americans had close non-Muslim friends. A majority reported that most of their friends were non-Muslim. At the same time, 92 percent of U.S. Muslims don’t oppose women working outside the home (98 percent of Americans agree).

Pew also found that 62 percent of Muslims said they were “OK” with Muslims marrying non-Muslims, and another 11 percent said it depends. American Christians were not asked this exact question, but in 2014, Pew found that 77 percent of white Evangelicals would be unhappy if an immediate family member married an atheist.

Pew finds that U.S. Muslims are politically moderate (38% moderate; 27% liberal; 25% conservative). They were also swing voters in the 2000s, first going strongly for George W. Bush in 2000 before flipping to John Kerry and Democrats since 2004.

Muslim Americans Are Less Likely to Support Intolerance, Violence

US Muslims were the only religious group that opposed the targeting of civilians.

While there are no good polls on the attitude of American Muslims toward Sharia religious law,* U.S. Muslims score higher than most other believers on Gallup’s “religious tolerance” index. The index categorizes individuals as either “isolated,” “tolerant,” or “integrated,” based on their level of agreement with five statements about other faiths. Not all Americans share Muslim Americans’ openness to other faiths. In fact, recent Public Policy Polling (PPP) polls found many Republicans in Iowa, North Carolina, and New Hampshire believe Islam should be banned.

In 2010, Gallup also asked whether “targeting and killing civilians by the military” can be justified. U.S. Muslims were the only religious group that opposed such targeting. Protestants, Jews, and Catholics believed it could be justified. Muslim Americans were also the most strongly opposed of any religious group to “targeting and killing by individuals or small groups.” Catholics, Protestants, and Jews were all more than twice as likely to support civilian strikes.

Muslims moving to the US are more moderate and assimilate quickly.
Internationally, Muslim views are more varied. Gallup found strong support for Sharia law in several countries, and Pew found support for violence against civilians “in defense of Islam” at high levels in several Middle Eastern countries.

This suggests that either the Muslims moving to the U.S. are from the more moderate Muslim communities abroad or that they assimilate quickly. A combination of both is likely. Islamic totalitarians, such as ISIS, consider it a form of apostasy to emigrate from a Muslim society to a secular one. Meanwhile, in America, young Muslims are pioneering more liberal forms of Islam — or abandoning the faith.

Religious Extremism Is Not a Significant Threat

Even if 5 percent of U.S. Muslims view al-Qaeda favorably, does that mean we will face a constant barrage of attacks? Actually, no. It’s possible for large numbers of people to hold dangerous views on violence without acting on them, as evidenced above.

We should not let our lives be dictated by fear of terrorism – of any kind.

But here’s more evidence: according to a YouGov poll, some 4 percent of Americans (nearly 10 million adult Americans) support attacks on abortion providers. Another 7 percent are unsure if those attacks are immoral. There have been two dozen murders or attempted murders, as well as many other attacks by anti-abortion extremists since 1993, but we understand that nearly all pro-life proponents oppose this kind of violence and those that don’t would never act on their views.

Why don’t some people understand that the same is true for Muslims? The problem is that 83 percent of Americans dismiss violence by Christians as not being committed by “real” Christians, while only 48 percent do the same for Muslims. But the unpleasant reality is that other ideologies are also subject to distortion by violent extremists. The New America Foundation, for instance, finds that various ideologies that it identifies as “right-wing” have been responsible for 18 instances of deadly attacks and 48 deaths since 9/11, compared to 9 attacks and 45 deaths caused by jihadists.

Americans simply should not let their lives be dictated by a fear of terrorism of any kind. As security expert John Mueller has documented, Americans are more likely to be killed by almost anything else over the last fifty years. Americans murdered more people on any two days last year than were killed by terrorists in the last 10 years. Shutting down mosques and banning Muslims will not make America any safer. Rather than treating them as enemies, America should see Muslim Americans as allies in our fight for freedom and peace.

* Frank Gaffney, the conspiracy theorist founder of the Center for Security Policy, has online “polls” from “Muslims” that are certifiably bogus, as has been explained by others.

This post was first published at the Niskanen Center in December 2015.

David J. Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity.

Matthew La Corte is a Research Associate at the Niskanen Center where he focuses on immigration policy.


53 posted on 12/02/2017 1:18:38 AM PST by MarvinStinson (`1`)
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To: Fungi

David J. Bier is an immigration policy analyst at the Cato Institute’s Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity.

He is an expert on visa reform, border security, and interior enforcement, and his work has been cited in the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, USA Today, Politico, and many other print and online publications.


54 posted on 12/02/2017 1:29:30 AM PST by MarvinStinson (`1`)
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To: upchuck

Uh how can they possibly know he was caught every time he crossed the border???

And to a naive person like me, coming here to sell fake drugs and using heroin sound pretty serious. Nonviolent?? Why did he have a GUN and killed a girl? Yikes


55 posted on 12/02/2017 1:42:06 AM PST by Williams (Stop tolerating the intolerant.)
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To: upchuck

Unbelievable. Can I borrow your name after reading this lying drivel?!


56 posted on 12/02/2017 3:56:50 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Taxman

I hope that CATO’s position on immigration refers to legal immigrants that we, the US, consciously admit to our country with the idea that they will live here permanently. If so, hard to argue with their points.

However if they are talking about the millions of people who have entered illegally, or overstayed their visas in defiance of our laws, i.e.. illegal aliens, who have no right to be here, than CATO’s position is BS.


57 posted on 12/02/2017 6:47:52 AM PST by hanamizu
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To: miss marmelstein
Unbelievable. Can I borrow your name after reading this lying drivel?!

As a general rule, I never let folks borrow my name. What if they don't return it?

58 posted on 12/02/2017 8:36:01 AM PST by upchuck ("Ex-obama" ... That phrase itself honors America. ~ h/t glennaro)
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To: upchuck

You make an excellent point! So to quote Sheridan Whiteside: “I may vomit!” when reading this.


59 posted on 12/02/2017 8:46:10 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

:) Sheridan Whiteside (Monty Woolley) is a fav. What a character!


60 posted on 12/02/2017 9:01:44 AM PST by upchuck ("Ex-obama" ... That phrase itself honors America. ~ h/t glennaro)
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