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McCain associate subpoenaed in Trump dossier probe
Washington Examiner ^ | 12/27/2017 | Byron York

Posted on 12/27/2017 12:53:19 PM PST by mojito

House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes has issued a subpoena to David Kramer, a former State Department official who, in late November 2016, traveled to London to receive a briefing and a copy of the Trump dossier from its author, former British spy Christopher Steele. Kramer then returned to the U.S. to give the document to Sen. John McCain.

Kramer is a senior fellow at the McCain Institute for International Leadership at Arizona State University.

McCain later took a copy of the dossier to the FBI's then-director, James Comey. But the FBI already had the document; Steele himself gave the dossier to the bureau in installments, reportedly beginning in early July 2016.

McCain, recovering in Arizona from treatments for cancer, has long refused to detail his actions regarding the dossier. For his part, Kramer was interviewed by the House Intelligence Committee on Dec. 19. The new subpoena stems from statements Kramer made in that interview.

In the session, Kramer told House investigators that he knew the identities of the Russian sources for the allegations in Steele's dossier. But when investigators pressed Kramer to reveal those names, he declined to do so.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
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To: b4its2late

Im guessing the next time we see McCain in Washington it will be in a box for his funeral.


21 posted on 12/27/2017 1:25:36 PM PST by Newbomb Turk (Hey Newbomb, where is your bothers ElCamino ?)
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To: mojito

I’ve known so many fine people who undeservedly developed wicked illnesses, but McCain has earned every, single cancer cell that is ravaging his body. He is unAmerican to the core.


22 posted on 12/27/2017 1:26:28 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: mojito

YEP!!!


23 posted on 12/27/2017 1:27:08 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: mojito

Oh my.


24 posted on 12/27/2017 1:30:22 PM PST by tennmountainman ("Prophet Mountainman" Predicter Of All Things RINO...for a small fee.)
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To: b4its2late

The monitor should be on his head. He has an ankle for a brain anyway. At least what’s left of it.


25 posted on 12/27/2017 1:32:08 PM PST by t4texas (If you can't run with the big dogs . . . STAY ON THE PORCH!)
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To: Zathras

McCain is easily blackmailed. Too many people have seen the records he tried to hide


26 posted on 12/27/2017 1:32:34 PM PST by hoosiermama (When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.DJT)
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To: b4its2late

The monitor should be on his head. He has an ankle for a brain anyway. At least what’s left of it.


27 posted on 12/27/2017 1:33:15 PM PST by t4texas (If you can't run with the big dogs . . . STAY ON THE PORCH!)
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To: Zathras

“It is now pretty clear McCain, Flake, some of his staff and probably Romney and his staff are involved.”

Do you feel it bothered McCain, Romney and others that one of their own had been denied by Trump, of their turn to lose with decorum?


28 posted on 12/27/2017 1:34:21 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: Zathras

Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if this dossier circled back to Romney.


29 posted on 12/27/2017 1:34:59 PM PST by Flick Lives (https://goo.gl/GxGKQh)
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To: mojito

McCain in an Orange Jumpsuit...

Makes Me Smile!


30 posted on 12/27/2017 1:37:27 PM PST by Big Red Badger (UNSCANABLE in an IDIOCRACY!)
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To: mojito

what never made sense was:
Why was McCain involved in the first place ? why didn’t he take it right to DOJ upon first contact? and
Why didn’t Comey tell McCain that Comey already had the dossier, except...

1. Comey wanted to establish a false time line for the dossier and McCain was in on it ?
why ? to bring down a president ?
2. McCain legitimately didn’t know and Comey was setting him up to be a patsy ?

add your own theories here:


31 posted on 12/27/2017 1:40:22 PM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: mojito

“and why they will try to compel Kramer to talk.”

Anyone want to make a bet that the committee does NOTHING when this quisling worm decides not to talk???

Congress has ALL the power in washington, the executive and judicial branch operate according to the whims of CONGRESS!

“U.S. CODE
TITLE 2—THE CONGRESS
CHAPTER 6—CONGRESSIONAL AND COMMITTEE PROCEDURE; INVESTIGATIONS
Sec. 193. Privilege of witnesses
No witness is privileged to refuse to testify to any fact, or to produce any paper, respecting which he shall be examined by either House of Congress, or by any joint committee established by a joint or concurrent resolution of the two Houses of Congress, or by any committee of either House, upon the ground that his testimony to such fact or his production of such paper may tend to disgrace him or otherwise render him infamous.”

Simply look up Hinds Precedents, especially chapters 53 and 51, and Cannon’s Precedents, especially chapters 184-185. You’ll find numerous detailed cases of Congress asserting its power, arresting people, holding them until they agreed to answer questions, and then releasing them. Some of these people did not refuse to appear, but simply failed to satisfactorily answer questions. One has to wonder how a previous Congress might have responded to Alberto Gonzales’s endless recitations of “I do not recall.”

Congress can Remove the President
Congress can remove the head of every executive agency Congress can remove ALL of their employees
Congress can Abolish every agency they so choose
Congress can remove EVERY JUDGE IN AMERICA, including every supreme court justice.
Congress can abolish every federal court except the supreme Court
Congress can decide which cases the Judicial Branch can hear and decide
CONGRESS can Imprison ANYONE they want for any reason they so desire for as long as they wish.
Congress can declare WAR

No other governing body has even 10% of the power CONGRESS has!!

CONGRESS IS ALLOWING ALL OF IT!!!

Congress has the authority to arrest and imprison those found in Contempt. The power extends throughout the United States and is an inherent power (does not depend upon legislated act)

If found in Contempt the person can be arrested under a warrant of the Speaker of the House of Representatives or President of the Senate, by the respective Sergeant at Arms.

Statutory criminal contempt is an alternative to inherent contempt.

Under the inherent contempt power Congress may imprison a person for a specific period of time or an indefinite period of time, except a person imprisoned by the House of Representatives may not be imprisoned beyond adjournment of a session of Congress.

Imprisonment may be coercive or punitive.

Some references

[1] Joseph Story’s Commentaries on the Constitution, Volume 2, § 842 http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/print_documents/a1_5s21.html

[2] Anderson v. Dunn - 19 U.S. 204 - “And, as to the distance to which the process might reach, it is very clear that there exists no reason for confining its operation to the limits of the District of Columbia; after passing those limits, we know no bounds that can be prescribed to its range but those of the United States.” http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/19/204/case.html

[3] Jurney v. MacCracken, 294 U.S. 125 http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/125/case.html 73rd Cong., 78 Cong. Rec. 2410 (1934) https://archive.org/details/congressionalrec78aunit

[4] McGrain v. Daugherty, 273 U.S. 135 - Under a warrant issued by the President of the Senate the Deputy to the Senate Sergeant at Arms arrested at Cincinnati, Ohio, Mally S. Daugherty, who had been twice subpoenaed by the Senate and twice failed to appear. http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/273/135/case.html

[5] Rules of the House of Representatives, Rule IV Duties of the Sergeant at Arms - [] execute the commands of the House, and all processes issued by authority thereof, directed to him by the Speaker. http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/HMAN-105/pdf/HMAN-105-pg348.pdf

[6] An analysis of Congressional inquiry, subpoena, and enforcement http://www.constitutionproject.org/documents/when-congress-comes-calling-a-primer-on-the-principles-practices-and-pragmatics-of-legislative-inquiry/

In 1857, a New York Times reporter refused to say which members of Congress had asked him to get them bribes (protecting his “sources” just as various Judith Millers today protect the people who feed them proven lies that costs thousands of lives), so Congress locked him up until he answered and then banned him from Congress.

In 1924 an oil executive appeared but refused to answer certain questions, so the Senate held — literally held — him in contempt. Senator Thomas Walsh of Montana argued that this question of contempt was of the gravest importance, and that it involved “the very life of the effective existence of the House of Representatives of the United States and of the Senate of the United States.” The matter was taken to court, and the witness fined and imprisoned.


32 posted on 12/27/2017 1:41:59 PM PST by eyeamok (Tolerance: The virtue of having a belief in Nothing!)
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To: Big Red Badger

Invest in orange jumpsuits. If there is justice, many, many will be needed. Oh, also, rope...invest in rope.


33 posted on 12/27/2017 1:42:41 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: mojito

Odd. Steele should have told Kramer the FBI already had the dossier. Why not ?


34 posted on 12/27/2017 1:44:52 PM PST by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: bitt

The more I think about it, the odder this situation gets.

Just who is this Kramer fellow? Here’s his Wiki page (clearly written by Kramer himself):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Kramer

He’s a lifelong lefty swamp dweller with a background in Russian and human rights affairs. He left the State Dept. in 2009 for his current job at the McCain Inst. at Arizona State.

But just why was Kramer, of all people, sent to London to meet with Steele, and on whose initiative? On McCain’s? Is he connected to Fusion GPS or the Ohrs? And why would he make the bombshell claim to know the identities of the Russian sources of the dossier when testifying before the House Intelligence Committee and then refuse to actually name names?

Just a hunch, but I wonder if Mr. Kramer had a hand in fabricating the dossier? Which begs the question: Was McCain involved in fabricating the dossier?


35 posted on 12/27/2017 1:45:31 PM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: mojito

Turn up the heat and watch McCain fry!


36 posted on 12/27/2017 1:46:07 PM PST by ZULU (DITCH MITCH!!! DUMP RYAN!! DROP DEAD MCCAIN!! KIM FATTY the THIRD = Kim Jung Un)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
McCain hates Trump with a white hot passion because Trump insulted his war record.

I doubt a real war hero would act like that
37 posted on 12/27/2017 1:46:24 PM PST by uncbob
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To: mojito
Money quote from the story:

Investigators who favor this theory ask a sensible question: It is likely that all the Russians involved in the attempt to influence the 2016 election were lying, scheming, Kremlin-linked, Putin-backed enemies of America – except the Russians who talked to Christopher Steele?

38 posted on 12/27/2017 1:48:06 PM PST by kabar
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To: stylin19a

Yes, exactly!

See my response at no. 35 (I didn’t see your post until I already posted the one below).


39 posted on 12/27/2017 1:49:07 PM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: justa-hairyape
Odd. Steele should have told Kramer the FBI already had the dossier. Why not ?

Why was this Kramer fellow in London talking to Steele at all? Was he sent by McCain? Or was Kramer told to contact McCain with the dossier in order to lend it legitimacy?

40 posted on 12/27/2017 1:54:02 PM PST by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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