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Trump Tells New York, New Jersey to Pay for Their Own Damn Rail Project
http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/02/trump-administration-tells-new-york-new ^

Posted on 01/03/2018 9:46:27 AM PST by MNDude

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To: Mr. K

It went to “shovel ready” jobs.

Meaning that politicians and their lobbyist puppetmasters shoveled all of that money into their pockets.

Run century old infrastructure into the ground for fun and profit?

Pay for the repairs yourselves.


21 posted on 01/03/2018 10:02:58 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it. MAGA!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
Somewhere, Willie Green must be weeping, and bitching.

22 posted on 01/03/2018 10:04:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (www.tapatalk.com/groups/godsgravesglyphs/, forum.darwincentral.org, www.gopbriefingroom.com)
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To: MNDude

>>>when the Obama administration made a non-binding public commitment to fund half the project<<<

Non binding. I wonder what that means they said...


23 posted on 01/03/2018 10:05:00 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Tweet softly, but carry a big stick.)
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To: MNDude

If there is a benefit to the nation as a whole from a project, it is reasonable for the feds to foot part of the cost. Otherwise, let the states pay.


24 posted on 01/03/2018 10:07:12 AM PST by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: MNDude

1. Repair the damaged Tunnel.

2. Add more passenger Cars to the Train.

(3) Take the seats out of the Train. SRO, just like on Broadway.

Next...


25 posted on 01/03/2018 10:08:41 AM PST by Kickass Conservative (Tweet softly, but carry a big stick.)
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To: MNDude

Oh man - Monkey Face Andrew Cuomo is going to be mad over this one...Can’t wait to see his facial expressions.


26 posted on 01/03/2018 10:08:47 AM PST by EC Washington
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Cronies and union mob bosses are saddened


27 posted on 01/03/2018 10:09:20 AM PST by dsrtsage (For Leftists, World History starts every day at breakfast)
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In 2017 dollars, it cost the Pennsylvania Railroad $3.1 billion to build not only Penn Station but also the tunnels leading there ($114 million in 1910; take note that this is three years before the Federal Reserve appeared).

The government taking over transportation infrastructure was/is purely a power move, based on the Sixth Plank of Communism, which states: “Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.” Woodrow Wilson created the forerunners of Amtrak and Conrail when he created the United States Railroad Administration (USRA), which was even bigger than any other public works project in the history of this country.


28 posted on 01/03/2018 10:13:10 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: 1Old Pro

Never gonna happen, get out while you can. I’ve been trying to get my Brothers and their families out of there for years. Both my sons moved back up there, to take “advantage” of the “free” four year college. I told them they have you for 5 years and you’ll end up being there 20.


29 posted on 01/03/2018 10:14:35 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative
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To: G Larry

Trump must have read about the criminal overruns on the one mile subway stop connecting the Long Island railroad and Metro North. 12 billion and counting.
Why would he think a project that dwarfs that one could be done at a cost of 13 billion?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/28/nyregion/new-york-subway-construction-costs.html


30 posted on 01/03/2018 10:16:20 AM PST by CaptainK (No collusion.No obstruction.He's a leaker.)
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To: JimRed
A bi-state project like this in the NYC metro area can only get done when you have a governor in New Jersey who is willing to undermine his own state by supporting it.

These trains are used almost exclusively to bring New Jersey commuters into New York City -- where they pay New York City and New York State income taxes, which are then credited against their New Jersey state tax returns. So in other words, New Jersey is being asked to foot the bill for a large chunk of the cost for a project that provides almost no tangible benefit to the taxpayers of that state at all. New Jersey's share of the project cost should be somewhere close to 0%.

The last Democrat we had as governor was Jon Corzine, who committed New Jersey to pay a large share of the project back in 2008-09. He had no problem undermining his own citizens because he's a Goldman Sachs globalist who cares more about New York City anyway.

One of Chris Christie's early actions as the new governor -- after he defeated Corzine in 2009 -- was to cancel the boondoggle project.

Christie's tenure as governor just ended, as he was precluded from running for a third term by law in New Jersey.

New Jersey now has another former Goldman Sachs pr!ck as governor.

Draw your own conclusions.

31 posted on 01/03/2018 10:16:25 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: Kickass Conservative
Not very comfortable riding a seatless train for distances of 30 to 50 miles. Great way to get people to stop riding, though. NYC Transit tried seatless subway cars, and riders rejected that notion too.

Penn Station was never designed to handle the traffic that the government shoe-horned into it. It’s basically replacing four terminal stations that were on the New Jersey side of the Hudson River in terms of traffic, i.e. excepting Hoboken Terminal which is still open. (These stations were on the wrong side of the Hudson River due to an 1840 NYC ordinance forbidding the operation of steam locomotives south of 42nd Street in Manhattan, so even this is a result of big government machinations going back 1½ centuries.)
32 posted on 01/03/2018 10:18:22 AM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Kickass Conservative

4) Add a couple ‘premium’ rail cars for first-class travel.

5) Add pay-per-view subscription to watch liberals and so-called oppressed groups sob endlessly that life isn’t fair, that the railroad is waysis, etc.


33 posted on 01/03/2018 10:19:55 AM PST by Made In The USA (Next thing you know, 'ol Jed's a millionaire)
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To: posterchild

Take a look! But notice all the trash politicians who’ve been “memorialized” by having various sub-projects named after them! But it looks as though the money is still being spent and the total will come to about $22 billion at the end of the day.

“The Central Artery/Tunnel Project (CA/T), known unofficially as the Big Dig, was a megaproject in Boston that rerouted the Central Artery of Interstate 93, the chief highway through the heart of the city, into the 3.5-mile (5.6 km) Thomas P. O’Neill Jr. Tunnel. The project also included the construction of the Ted Williams Tunnel (extending Interstate 90 to Logan International Airport), the Leonard P. Zakim Bunker Hill Memorial Bridge over the Charles River, and the Rose Kennedy Greenway in the space vacated by the previous I-93 elevated roadway. Initially, the plan was also to include a rail connection between Boston’s two major train terminals. Planning began in 1982; the construction work was carried out between 1991 and 2006; and the project concluded on December 31, 2007 when the partnership between the program manager and the Massachusetts Turnpike Authority ended.

The Big Dig was the most expensive highway project in the US, and was plagued by cost overruns, delays, leaks, design flaws, charges of poor execution and use of substandard materials, criminal arrests, and one death. The project was originally scheduled to be completed in 1998 at an estimated cost of $2.8 billion (in 1982 dollars, US$6.0 billion adjusted for inflation as of 2006). However, the project was completed only in December 2007, at a cost of over $14.6 billion ($8.08 billion in 1982 dollars, meaning a cost overrun of about 190%) as of 2006. The Boston Globe estimated that the project will ultimately cost $22 billion, including interest, and that it would not be paid off until 2038. As a result of a death, leaks, and other design flaws, Bechtel and Parsons Brinckerhoff—the consortium that oversaw the project—agreed to pay $407 million in restitution, and several smaller companies agreed to pay a combined sum of approximately $51 million.

The Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy Greenway is a roughly 1.5-mile-long (2.4 km) series of parks and public spaces, which are the final part of the Big Dig after Interstate 93 was put underground. The Greenway was named in honor of Kennedy family matriarch Rose Fitzgerald Kennedy, and was officially dedicated on July 26, 2004.”


34 posted on 01/03/2018 10:20:28 AM PST by vette6387
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To: WayneS

There should be no funding for their self-induced issues.


35 posted on 01/03/2018 10:22:37 AM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: Olog-hai
The only problem with your post is that the government didn't exactly "take over transportation infrastructure" in the case of the Pennsylvania Railroad. Between 1968 and 1973, all of the major railroads in the Northeast collapsed into bankruptcy, leaving the rail system in the entire region in shambles.

The establishment of Conrail and Amtrak in the early 1970s actually saved the whole system, and helped precipitate a revival of the freight railroad industry in the Northeast that enabled the system to return to private ownership under more efficient conditions -- first with the privatization of Conrail in 1987 through an IPO, then with the acquisition of Conrail and the partition of its network between Norfolk Southern and CSX in 1998.

36 posted on 01/03/2018 10:22:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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To: spokeshave

“And cut off the fed funding for the Grey Davis CA train from Button Willow to Bakersfield or somewhere in the desert.”

It’s actually the “Illegal Alien Farmworkers Express,” moving fruit pickers up and down the Central Valley. Another freebee from the CA government to illegal Mexicans.


37 posted on 01/03/2018 10:22:52 AM PST by vette6387
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To: MNDude

Every day we see why people are so upset with Hillary’s loss of the presidency. All of this corruption, deceit and criminality was supposed to be a given, a done deal. People have been promised, deals have been made, all under the presumption that the ripoff of the American taxpayers would continue.


38 posted on 01/03/2018 10:27:36 AM PST by Dapper 26
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Eff NY & NJ

We will never win those States in a Presidential Election

Let's use some $$$ on States like WI, MI & PA!!!

39 posted on 01/03/2018 10:27:52 AM PST by KavMan
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To: Lurkinanloomin

Trump is playing smash mouth at great personal costs.

A citizen president, owing no one, can do these things when his country comes first, be damned the incoming shelling. God bless the man, in this fight.


40 posted on 01/03/2018 10:28:56 AM PST by RitaOK (Viva Christo Rey! Public education & academia= the farm team for more Marxists coming, infinitum.)
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