Posted on 01/04/2018 2:50:07 PM PST by Drew68
Or a Democrat losing in Chicago.
I think it would be an effective campaign strategy if he was running in a general election and there were a dozen GOP Senate candidates who ran on a platform of changing the Senate leadership in Washington. Absent that, this did nothing but antagonize 51 other U.S. Senators who were going to be sitting next to Moore in Washington every day. You don't even hear Donald Trump -- the original "Drain the Swamp" candidate -- calling for McConnell to be replaced. Why is this? Because Trump knows McConnell doesn't answer to him, and he has to work with McConnell to get anything done.
I've answered this before in other discussions. The entire statement is predicated on their being a challenge. If there is no challenge, it doesn't apply.
And therefore it was a useless campaign slogan. So the Alabama Senate race had two candidates facing each other who both despised Mitch McConnell. Great.
Even if you see it that way, this "tone deaf" approach had nothing to do with why Moore lost. Moore lost because a Democrat party motivated kook made 40 year old lurid accusations against him, and on the basis of these unproven accusations, his own party membership deliberately stabbed him in the back. (Especially Richard Shelby.)
Roy Moore lost because 600,000+ people who voted for Donald Trump in 2016 didn't vote for Moore in 2017. You can blame the allegations and the GOP leadership for his loss, but you should really be focusing on what happened with all those lost voters.
“She’s not a “public figure” so she has very little to prove.”
It is not clear that she is not a public figure. It was her decision to publicly trail her skirt in the election mud.
She is, at least, it seems a limited purpose public figure.
And so what's worse than a bag of horse manure? A child molesting rapist, that's what.
Moore mailed it in and disappeared from the campaign trail in the closing weeks of the race.
I've oft heard that repeated as if it holds some sort of significance. Pray tell, how many campaign appearances would your theoretical bag of horse manure have needed to make?
He refused to debate his opponent.
Another assertion that i've disemboweled on previous occasions. A man 28 points ahead is a fool to debate his opponent.(Politics 101) It won't help him at all. By the time it would have been beneficial to debate Doug Jones, their rolls had reversed, and it was no longer in the interest of Doug Jones to engage in any debate.
He didn't just have a 28 point lead, dude. He BLEW a 28 point lead.
Circular reasoning. You contend Moore was a bad candidate, and as proof you offer that he lost. You argue he lost because he was a bad candidate.
I point out that lying kook accusations spread by the media weapon (totally under the control of the Democrat party) and backstabbing by the members of his own party are what caused the loss. Remove those two things and Moore would have won massively. (ergo, not a bad candidate.) Remove the backstabbing by his own party, (Richard Shelby mostly) and he would have won marginally.
I have noticed over the years that whenever a Tea Party candidate is savaged by the media and the establishment, the refrain is always that he/she was a "bad candidate."
In previous responses I have posted a dozen examples of bad Democrat candidates that nobody ever seems to call "bad candidates", and this is because the media covers up their stupidity and stupid statements, while putting our people, (especially Tea Party reformers) under the microscope.
I would have voted for Moore without any hesitation. In fact, I'm probably one of the very few Freepers who came out before the election and said right here that I'd vote for him even if every sordid allegation against him was true.
No doubt Moore got stabbed in the back by his own and ambushed by Allred’s posse. Still he did himself no favors in dealing with it. Thought Moore’s interview with Hannity was very bad. He seemed to dance around some of the questions and came across leaving some doubts.
I stopped posting on the other thread because you said you didn't want to hear from me anymore. And yet here you are dragging our conversation from that thread over here to a new one.
Make up your mind, would you?
I think many of the people who are intent on labeling Moore a "bad candidate" actually didn't like him in the first place, and it is probably because of his explicitly Christian beliefs and acts. Obviously this wouldn't be appealing to the libertarian component of the party.
And I think the same probably holds true for a bunch of people who are very vocally anti-Moore here. Probably within the voting public too.
We are truly engaged in a war against any kind of moral standards, and especially Christianity. Even here on FR.
Yes, I think you are right about this. I really think most of the people who didn't like him, objected to his religion dominating his behavior.
Yep. Moore was a disaster. Hard to argue it since a disaster did in fact occur.
Heck -- I only knew about his refusal to debate Jones because of the interview he did with Sean Hannity AFTER the allegations came out.
The Down ballot Statewide Republican candidate in Alabama (Twinkle Cavanaugh) only did slightly better than Moore in 2012. (I looked at the official records for the Alabama election of 2012)
I also discovered that all the other judges in the Alabama Supreme court penned a published letter urging voters to vote for the Democrat in that race. I bet you didn't know that.
Kinda hard to make headway when there is so much backstabbing going on.
Moore Christianity has nothing to do with my assessment of him as a bad candidate. I would usually view that as a point in his favor, but recent history has shown us that so many of these unapologetic Christian candidates are completely unsuited for political campaigns in this country -- though not necessarily at every level of government. That's why they usually end up as third-tier candidates in presidential elections like Pat Buchanan and Rick Santorum.
Does anyone here think Mike Pence would have stood any chance of winning the presidential election in 2016?
That is absolutely true. I forgot who first said that, but it was a conservative columnist who I greatly respect.
The idiots in this country can very easily be a fatal condition for what was a great country.
We are nearly there.
Feel bad for the horse.
You must have someone in particular in mind. Nothing comes to my mind since Jimmy Carter. I don't recall hearing much about the Christian beliefs of either of the Bushs, and I don't think John McCain fit that description at all. Perhaps you are referring to Liberal Romney?
To whom are you referring in this particular rant?
You can take that "Christian" Bush family back to Mexico where they belong. By the time 2016 rolled around, Yeb Bush was less popular than ISIS among Republican voters.
You are thinking of Jeb? Seriously? He never had a snowball's chance in hell of winning the nomination, and I don't recall him particularly espousing any form of Christianity, so I really don't understand your point here.
I voted for the Emperor Constantine, whose flaws were laid bare for everyone to see and who didn't feel a need to pontificate to the voters of this country about his Christianity.
And yet i've seen Trump do more defending of Christianities beliefs and practices than any other President since Reagan. Funny that.
I've known a few West Point graduates, and several of them have been, for lack of better words, "full of themselves." Add to that religious fervor and divine certitude, and you have a recipe for pissing people off.
I've noticed that the other Supreme Court Judges in Alabama wanted the Democrat in 2012 instead of Roy Moore, and I do not doubt he rubbed a lot of people in power the wrong way, but I also think that mindset and behavior would have served the nation well in Washington DC where too many are cowardly cucks who will reach across the aisle to cooperate with Democrats in our general "screwing."
If only the public could understand that.
In my view she is a paid liar. He is a great man and the people of Alabama are stupid.
Nobody knows how much dark money they spewed out but with the open money we know about GOPe and DNC probably spent 60-100 Million to defeat Judge Roy Moore. In the election fraud case experts gave good testimony that was ignored. Moore still almost won.
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