[zeugma]

The law are indeed a compromise between allowing the police to maintain the law and allowing us each to retain individual freedoms. Its a seesaw not an either or and in this case it has gotten warped. We need to show ID to make a credit card purchase, enter many buildings, sign up for gyms, pick up orders, movie tickets etc. Showing one to a police officer is not an insult but protesting it as a way of seeming cool or tuned in is making the story about you instead of about keeping us all safer. Show it & move along and thank the officer.

Seems to me, that the only reason we've gotten to the point where "show me your papers" is actually starting to sound 'reasonable' in the eyes of many is because of massive government failures. We're overrun by illegals because the government doesn't bother to enforce immigration laws. Same thing with terrorists. The government is so concerned about not offending muslims, they require us to submit to an anal probe at airports. Because the government wants to continue to prosecute its failed 'war on drugs', we're told we have to submit to random highway roadblocks, asset forfeiture abuses, bank reporting laws, and no-knock warrants.

Strangely, every failure of government seems to result in them demanding more power and authority over my life. Some folks submit to this meekly. Others do not.

[JayGalt]

You are right. I have gotten a lot more amenable to showing my papers because we have so many people in the US that we are endangered by. I think we have been poorly served by Obama & the several administrations that proceeded him to the point that we no longer have control over our borders or our towns. There are IA (illegal aliens) being shipped across the country in buses for pete’s sake!

I think the return to law and order comes from 1) changing the laws to end chain migration and the Visa lottery, 2) decreasing legal migration quota, 3)Enforcing the laws on the books and 4) speeding the legal process so that deportations proceed in a sprightly manner.

To get to that stage I consider it no issue to allow ICE and when appropriate other LEO to ask for my ID. I consider it a very small price to pay. Do I hate Government overreach, yes. But being able to separate citizens from non-citizens is a necessary step IMO unless you prefer anarchy. When we have a wall that works and a Visa overstay program that is efficient & has teeth and have weeded out criminal IA there will be much less of a need to be going through buses and looking at ID.

I think the no knock warrant issues are a disgrace. Too many innocents have been traumatized and even killed. That however is a local town issue and the towns need to reign in their police.