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Creation vs Evolution: The Bombardier Beetle Challenge
Creation Evolution Headlines ^ | February 8, 2018 | David F. Coppedge

Posted on 02/09/2018 11:46:16 AM PST by fishtank

Creation vs Evolution: The Bombardier Beetle Challenge

February 8, 2018 | David F. Coppedge

Bombardier beetles made the news again this week. Creation scientists have long used them to challenge evolutionary theory. Can the Darwinians fight back?

Watch a funny video on National Geographic of a barfing toad. The toad made the mistake of sneaking up on a bombardier beetle and snatching it with its tongue before the beetle could fire its weapons. It’s not hard to imagine what happened inside the toad’s stomach, because a few minutes later, the toad gags and vomits out the beetle, practically turning its stomach inside out to get rid of the pest which, though sticky with gastric juices, is none the worse for wear and crawls away.

(Excerpt) Read more at crev.info ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creation; evolution
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To: BroJoeK

Evolution is like taking a bunch of watch parts and putting them in a box and shaking it for a couple of hundred million years and out pops an assembled watch; or having a bunch of car parts shoved through a building real slow for the same amount of time and out pops a Buick.


41 posted on 02/09/2018 3:15:46 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: SkyDancer
SkyDancer: "Adaptation. They didn’t evolve into something else. They’re still frogs."

All evolution is adaption, all adaption is evolution.
Only the time scales differ -- shorter terms versus longer terms.

42 posted on 02/09/2018 3:16:27 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

I’m waiting for a monkey to ‘adapt’ itself as a giraffe.


43 posted on 02/09/2018 3:18:09 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: Ancesthntr

The “random chance” crowd might also think that the name Trump is random chance as well.

What can you do.

The Redemption Plan is a plan. When that becomes unavoidably obvious, some folks’ thinking will evolve, others’ thinking won’t. Survival of the fittest - irony overload.


44 posted on 02/09/2018 3:23:56 PM PST by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
aMorePerfectUnion: "When the dogs became birds - it was at the moment one flew by - I came to see just how the small changes add up!"

Bird Dogs:

Or, as the case may be, dog birds:

;-)

45 posted on 02/09/2018 3:25:37 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

The second looks like the minature warbling beagle!


46 posted on 02/09/2018 3:29:24 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
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To: UCANSEE2
UCANSEE2: "Whether it be evolution, adaptation, micro vs. macro, the basic process that has to occur is that each CELL in the creature involved has to CHANGE what type of cell it is and what other cells it is attached to.
WHAT determines this ?
What directs the cell to be a different ‘type’ of cell ?"

I take it you do understand basic reproduction -- eggs, sperms, gametes, zygotes, chromosomes, DNA, etc?
If you don't, then why are you posting here?
Crack a book, dummy.

47 posted on 02/09/2018 3:30:58 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: SkyDancer
SkyDancer: "I’m waiting for a monkey to ‘adapt’ itself as a giraffe."

You'll be waiting a very long time.
Best to find something else to keep you busy.

48 posted on 02/09/2018 3:34:42 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: SkyDancer
SkyDancer: "Evolution is like taking a bunch of watch parts and putting them in a box and shaking it for a couple of hundred million years and out pops an assembled watch..."

Total nonsense because no watch can reproduce itself nor is any watch subject to "natural selection" based on its inherited characteristics.

49 posted on 02/09/2018 3:43:33 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Molecules don’t self assemble themselves into a frog, something cause them to. Also, begs the question: when did the molecules first self evolve?


50 posted on 02/09/2018 3:55:03 PM PST by SkyDancer ( ~ Just Consider Me A Random Fact Generator ~ Eat Sleep Fly Repeat ~)
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To: BroJoeK

I have a recording of it. If you go to their website you can hear it for yourself.


51 posted on 02/09/2018 4:38:30 PM PST by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: Tucker39

It’s perfectly possible to believe in a Creator and in evolution and an 4 billion year old earth.


52 posted on 02/09/2018 4:39:34 PM PST by Eric Pode of Croydon (I'm an unreconstructed Free Trader and I do not give a damn.)
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To: teeman8r

everyone knows that God is the first astronomer...

Dude, astrologer, astrologer!


53 posted on 02/09/2018 4:43:20 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SkyDancer

You are calling up an irrelevant anecdote

Creationist always rely on zoological anecdotes that are actually trivial.

Creationists that somehow have a very short time line can’t seem to grasp the concept of time because since God did it, time doesn’t matter

Of course, having a closed mind, you would never spend time in the field actually observing plants and the variability and adaptive change that results in speciation.

I’m bad and broke my rule....... never argue with an ignorant man


54 posted on 02/09/2018 4:55:09 PM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: SkyDancer
SkyDancer: "Molecules don’t self assemble themselves into a frog, something cause them to."

No molecule ever assembled itself into a frog, that's ludicrous.
But simple organic molecules do "complexify" under the right conditions.
And complex chemistry continues to "complexify" so long as conditions favor it.
Is that how life on Earth originated?
Nobody knows for sure, but it's one of several proposed hypotheses.

SkyDancer: "Also, begs the question: when did the molecules first self evolve?"

Nobody knows for sure when or how "complexification" first happened, much less where -- was it even on this planet or somewhere else in the Universe?

Panspermia is the hypothesis that some or all of life's chemistry came to Earth from elsewhere.
But my opinion is the geological record does not support any suggestions of "sudden" or "explosive" advances in life for the Earth's first four billion years.
Plenty of time for what happened to have happened here.

55 posted on 02/09/2018 5:32:22 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: UCANSEE2
Which wasn’t true, wasn’t what Darwin said, and the actual concept involved APES evolving into HUMANS, but facts were deemed unimportant during the trial.

Yeah, like that made a big difference!
56 posted on 02/09/2018 5:37:45 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: Tucker39
Tucker39: "I have a recording of it.
If you go to their website you can hear it for yourself."

Whose website?

This website examined your alleged quote and found nothing to confirm it.

57 posted on 02/09/2018 5:51:53 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

https://www.djameskennedy.org/


58 posted on 02/10/2018 3:51:19 AM PST by Tucker39 ("It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible." George Washington)
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To: Tucker39
So you're saying that website includes a recording of Julian Huxley saying what you quoted in post #20?

I didn't see it.
Others who chased down that rabbit hole didn't find it either.

Hmmmmmm.....

Of course Julian Huxley (1887-1975) was an evolutionist, eugenicist and atheist, so perhaps in a careless moment he might have said something similar.
Still it's remarkable that the alleged source for this alleged quote remains so... elusive.

59 posted on 02/10/2018 4:05:01 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: SoConPubbie

That’s a point I always use when discussing this topic with evolutionist...

Typically just makes them mad...

Then i throw Pascals wager at them.
.


60 posted on 02/10/2018 4:10:44 AM PST by Popman (My sin was great, Your love was greater  What could separate us now…)
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