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To: Rustybucket
"So woulda, coulda, shoulda, is only for arm chair quarterbacks who shoot off their mouths but never have to put up or shut up."

Well, aren't you the expert? You ever faced fire? I have - and I can guarantee you that I would have gone in with whatever I had on me to try to save lives.

1. Since you're an expert, then you know that a pistol at close quarters can be aimed faster than a rifle. I doesn't make any difference how powerful a rifle is, if you get a killing shot in first. School rooms aren't really that big, are they? A 9mm may be only effective at 10 yards for you but the rest of us can effectively engage the enemy further than that.

2. Cover and concealment, baby. You move in bounds and when entering a room, stick the pistol and one eye only around the edge and enter at a height the shooter won't be expecting. The bottom line was the this gutless oaf was being paid to protect those kids and every second he wasted outside, more young lives were lost.

3. Ever notice that cops stopped risking their lives for "civilians"? Look at how the cops didn't do at Columbine - like save anyone or risk themselves at all. Frikken overweight black uniformed meter maids with machineguns.

Take it from a combat veteran Marine, we deserve better than that or fire them all.

105 posted on 02/24/2018 12:57:52 PM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: Chainmail

I am not happy about it, but yes, I have faced fire, and I have fired back. Expert? No, experienced? Yes, Trained? Yes, a regular shooter? yes. Am I a gung-ho run into certain death John Wayne type? No. I picked up lots of bodies of the idiots who wasted their lives thinking they were bullet proof. I was taught to think, analyze situations, look for weaknesses, act with intent, and expect the unexpected, and it save my life, and cost others theirs.
What I do know, is that you were not there, neither was I, as more information comes out, we will have a clearer picture of what happened.

1. The operative word there is close quarters, he was never in a close quarters environment. School rooms are huge, you have not visited one lately, evidently.
2.You cannot enter an area, let alone a room when you don’t know where the shooter is, in this case he went to 3 different floors, and even went back to previous rooms on each floor, so your example in not relevant to this case as we currently understand it.
3. Evidently you don’t care for policemen. Those I know and have known are wonderful, selfless people.

Like I said, thank you for your service.


113 posted on 02/24/2018 3:39:37 PM PST by Rustybucket
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To: Chainmail
"Well, aren't you the expert? You ever faced fire? I have - and I can guarantee you that I would have gone in with whatever I had on me to try to save lives. 1. Since you're an expert, then you know that a pistol at close quarters can be aimed faster than a rifle. I doesn't make any difference how powerful a rifle is, if you get a killing shot in first. School rooms aren't really that big, are they? A 9mm may be only effective at 10 yards for you but the rest of us can effectively engage the enemy further than that. 2. Cover and concealment, baby. You move in bounds and when entering a room, stick the pistol and one eye only around the edge and enter at a height the shooter won't be expecting. The bottom line was the this gutless oaf was being paid to protect those kids and every second he wasted outside, more young lives were lost."

Well said Marine. With two or more people it's advancing contact imminent; I don't know what they call it these days. They could of done better, probably saved lives but they made a choice to stay safe outside instead.

122 posted on 02/25/2018 1:04:52 AM PST by Sa-teef
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