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Why Is the GOP Terrified of Tariffs?
Townhall.com ^ | March 6, 2018 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 03/06/2018 7:48:47 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: FreedomNotSafety

We spent $4.5 trillion a year today as the federal government level. How do you propose to cut it to $50 billion or less with no direct taxes? And if we won’t do that (and we won’t), go back to my original question, and answer which way of those 3 is the best type of tax.


81 posted on 03/06/2018 6:24:58 PM PST by rb22982
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To: Mariner

He was a poster in the 90s that I thought you and other old-timers might remember. He was a Buchanan guy from dawn to dusk and used to run polls to see who we would support after Clinton was gone.

He became so over-the-top about Buchanan that he went from well like poster to one who offended a lot of people and hence, got banned and became an anti-Freeper.

I always got along with him, but many didn’t.


82 posted on 03/06/2018 6:26:38 PM PST by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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To: Kaslin

What a fantastic job of summing up the truth about trade and manufacturing! Notice that very word looks like it came from Free Republic threads on trade and tariffs! Obviously Pat is Freeper.


83 posted on 03/06/2018 6:31:24 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: odawg

Mark Levin is a globalist sh— stain.


84 posted on 03/06/2018 6:32:11 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Alberta's Child

You’re an idiot. The Nips can stuff their Luxus’s up there Keisters.


85 posted on 03/06/2018 6:35:36 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: ek_hornbeck

Great post sir!


86 posted on 03/06/2018 6:37:30 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Theodore R.

Think of trade deficits as arterial bleeding and import tariffs as a tourniquet.


87 posted on 03/06/2018 6:39:45 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: minnesota_bound
In the popular view, the Smoot–Hawley Tariff was a leading cause of the depression

Smoot Hawley didn't go into effect until 1931. The Depression had been going on for 2 years at that point, since 1929. You booger eating moron, I've told you this 10 times now.

Did you drop your name tag?


88 posted on 03/06/2018 6:44:17 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DoodleDawg

Hey -itch, try reading the article before posting your drivel.


89 posted on 03/06/2018 6:45:29 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DoodleDawg
1) You don't see any difference at all between the 19th Century and the 21st Century? Differences? Sure - we're far more tech advanced today, which should make it easier to grow GDP. Similarities? Absolutely. Periods where we've had massive exports relative to imports (virtually all of the 1800s, 1900s-1920s, 1950-1980s) we had massive GDP growth % and times where that shrank, we've had 2% GDP growth or less. 2) Nonsense. There would be no such incentive for business to invest trillions into manufacturing that could be made worthless by the repeal of a tariff.

If we fund cutting the US corp tax rate to 0 by raising the import tariff to say 15-20% across the board they aren't going to reverse it. We spent $4.5 trillion at the federal level. Currently 10% of that is funded by US production, 89% by consumer taxes and deficit spending and 1% by foreign production. How does that make sense exactly?

90 posted on 03/06/2018 6:48:09 PM PST by rb22982
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To: ek_hornbeck

Not just steel, cement too.


91 posted on 03/06/2018 6:48:49 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: DaveA37

Neo Con Free Traitors™ are the liberals. Did you even read the article?


92 posted on 03/06/2018 6:50:50 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: rb22982
Why do we tax US production (corporate income tax) and US wages, but not imports

I define that as pure evil. Anyone defending that is both evil and a traitor.

93 posted on 03/06/2018 6:52:06 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Sam Gamgee
Why should the government put restrictions on economic freedom?

Try reading the Constitution you < expletive deleted >.

Article 1 - The Legislative Branch

Section 8 - Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

There are no Constitutional grounds to claim a right to free trade with other countries, none. Get over it.

94 posted on 03/06/2018 6:57:33 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

Agreed, but the free traders do - and I use to be one of them when I joined this site, is the only reason I have some hope they can learn.


95 posted on 03/06/2018 6:59:42 PM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982
You were in the clutches of evil and now you are not. God bless. God bless America.

Patriots who put country first, like like President Trump, are blessings. As for Free Traitors™? for them, the bayonet.

96 posted on 03/06/2018 7:06:16 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

What is up with you and the name calling and insults? On another thread you posted to someone to FOAD.

Good grief, grow up and act like an adult.


97 posted on 03/06/2018 7:28:20 PM PST by Fury
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To: rb22982

Your distinction between direct and indirect taxes are useless. All of that money comes from one source me and you. Business only collect taxes they do not pay them. Tariffs are taxes. Consumers me and you pay for it. So the questions is what is the best way to tax? One that is the most efficient and least obtrusive to our freedom. A transaction tax would do it. Similar to a cat but with important differences. It would have problem raising enough revenue.


98 posted on 03/06/2018 8:23:43 PM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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To: FreedomNotSafety

No, some, if not the majority, of the tariff tax is born by the foreign producer in the forms of lower margins or less wages and only some is partially born by the US consumer. It is a false meme that consumers ultimately pay for all increased cost (or get passed through all decreased cost). The easiest way to prove that is this year, corporate profits will go up more than 10% because of the new tax bill. Want to bet CPI still goes up 2% and doesn’t drop 10%?


99 posted on 03/07/2018 3:09:13 AM PST by rb22982
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To: rb22982

It’s not false. You can twist the whole lower margins to say the importer absorbs the hit and sometimes that happens but that only means the margins were extraordinary to start with and would have been beat down soon enough. Or the importer decides to try and ride it out and wait for the domstic producer use the tariff protection to raise their prices at which point the importers price with the tariff will again be competitive.

If your scenario is true then tariffs are not effective at limiting imports and thereby creating good jobs since import prices do not go up. Your secnario means the gov just gets more taxes.

At every point the money comes from US consumers. The fact that the importer gets less does change the fact that the consumer paid for it.


100 posted on 03/07/2018 5:50:32 AM PST by FreedomNotSafety
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