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Gary North ^ | c. 2018 | Gary North

Posted on 03/09/2018 5:41:32 AM PST by Oklahoma

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To: central_va

That’s profound coming from a Big Union man.


21 posted on 03/09/2018 6:48:21 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

Union? I’ve never been in union and I don’t even know anyone in a union except for some Fed Gov types I am friends with.


22 posted on 03/09/2018 6:50:21 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Mase

Tariffs represent small government intrusion. The income tax OTH,now that is government intrusion on steroids.


23 posted on 03/09/2018 6:52:00 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Oklahoma

Rep. Markwayne Mullin: Trump isn’t starting a trade war, he’s helping to restore ‘Made in America’!

President Trump isn’t starting a trade war, and if you think he is—you’re blind to the fact that we are already in the middle of one.

Last year, the United States grew its trade deficit to $566 billion. The president is bringing everyone to the negotiating table. After the passage of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act last December, we now have one of the most competitive tax codes in the world. It’s important that we use it to our advantage when it comes to trading goods with other countries. While other countries will continue to look out for their own best interests, I’m grateful President Trump is looking out for ours.

When our car manufacturers market cars in China, there is a 25 percent tariff added to the cost. This is not free or fair trade. However, China believes they shouldn’t be paying tariffs on products that come to the United States. Other countries feel similarly. The trade deals these countries operate under are drastically in their favor. These countries want free trade when it comes to trading with the United States, but they do not extend the same to us when we try to sell products to their countries. They claim they do this in order to protect their working class. Shouldn’t we be doing the same?

Excerpted, go to link below for full story!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/09/rep-markwayne-mullin-trump-isn-t-starting-trade-war-hes-helping-to-restore-made-in-america.htm


24 posted on 03/09/2018 6:53:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Never pick a fight with an angry hornet's nest of 63+ million Trump Deplorables. You will lose!)
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To: central_va

And now you have even higher taxes. Well done, big government conservative. Bigger government will save us from big government.


25 posted on 03/09/2018 6:56:02 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

I want more tariffs and less income taxes. That is Conservative by anyone’s standards.


26 posted on 03/09/2018 6:58:53 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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Your talking points come straight from the AFL-CIO and have been all along. Admit it. Is it the Teamsters? United Mine Workers? United Steel Workers?

You’ve admitted in the past you are not a Conservative. Have you ever voted for a Conservative candidate for President? Reagan, Goldwater, Forbes, Du Pont or Cruz? How many democrats have you voted for in the past?

If someone advocated forcing everyone to buy only Union made goods would you be in favor? What about forcing everyone to join a Union?


27 posted on 03/09/2018 7:02:13 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Grampa Dave

Since Mullin is in the plumbing and HVAC business he will soon find out the cost of his materials will rise because of these tariffs.

Trade balances are a worthless measure because they essentially nearly always are self-balancing. The only way they aren’t is if we go to war and not honor the US Bonds and Notes the Chinese are holding.


28 posted on 03/09/2018 7:08:43 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Oklahoma

So, allowing other Nations to hold a gun to our belly is a good thing and us deciding to not let them do it is a bad thing - OK, I feel educated now.....false meme comparing other Nations to our own States.


29 posted on 03/09/2018 7:39:20 AM PST by trebb (I stopped picking on the mentally ill hypocrites who pose as conservatives...mostly ;-})
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To: Oklahoma

To ignore the Mr. North’s arguments for a minute, do you remember how ludicrously wrong he was over Y2K? He made an industry out of scare-mongering, completely embarrassing in hindsight.


30 posted on 03/09/2018 7:45:29 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: Oklahoma
There is still managed trade by international bureaucracies, most notably the World Trade Organization. Another one is NAFTA. These organizations are not in favor of free trade. They are in favor of bureaucratically managed trade. I am not a defender of these organizations.

That is the point. The alternative we face is not between tariffs and free trade, it is between tariffs and a rigged system.

31 posted on 03/09/2018 7:46:52 AM PST by Stingray51
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To: Oklahoma
Hey you craven fool, why are you too afraid to answer my questions in post 11?
32 posted on 03/09/2018 7:47:12 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Oklahoma
Tariff barriers and other import quotas that are established for any purposes other than revenue generation assume that the invisible line known as the national border is completely different, economically speaking, from all of the other invisible lines, also called borders, that exist inside the nation. No one accepts any of the arguments for restricting trade across the internal borders. Yet they accept these arguments with respect to national borders.

The economic differences across our State borders are limited (although growing). But the differences between the economic conditions in different nations are vast. Take the US and China for the most important example. How about health and safety regulations for workers, minimum wages, environmental restrictions, foreign ownership restrictions, enforcement of contract and intellectual property rights, the need for governmental approvals, corruption... the list goes on and on.

33 posted on 03/09/2018 7:51:03 AM PST by Stingray51
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Free trade extremists like this tend to ignore the negative effects of other forms of taxation. Tariffs are a form of taxation that have certain negative effects such as raising prices on consumers (but hopefully also some benefits which are the reason we are imposing them) but there are also negative effects of sales taxes and income taxes for example. Yet the free trade extremists don’t jump out of their skins to attack these other forms of taxation.


34 posted on 03/09/2018 7:54:01 AM PST by Stingray51
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No one accepts any of the arguments for restricting trade across the internal borders. Yet they accept these arguments with respect to national borders.

This point borders on idiotic. Restricting trade across state borders is specifically prohibited under the U.S. Constitution.

35 posted on 03/09/2018 8:19:09 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Oklahoma

I don’t think it’s possible to have real free trade between individual citizens of different countries and still have countries with borders as we know them.


36 posted on 03/09/2018 9:32:39 AM PST by aquila48
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“Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” Barry Goldwater, speech accepting nomination for president, Republican national convention, San Francisco, California (July 16, 1964).

What right do you have to tell me when or how to spend my money, or anyone else? Liberty is the ability of individuals to determine their own path to either prosperity or poverty.

And once again we revisit why tariffs across state lines were made unconstitutional. Tariff duties in the individual states were being used as protective tariffs.


37 posted on 03/09/2018 9:37:43 AM PST by Oklahoma
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To: Alberta's Child

“This guy is wrong on so many counts.”

He’s guilty of being a shallow thinker...

What would real free trade look like among countries? It would mean that each one of us would be able to voluntarily buy and sell goods and services from and to individuals of every other country and they would be able to do the same. That would require there are no border restrictions in the movement of goods and services and thus people. That means you have no borders. That means you have no countries.

So what he’s advocating is the dissolution of countries, and in actuality government itself, because even within one country the government imposes a meriad of rules and regulations on transactions between individuals and entities.

So, bottom line, he’s advocating worldwide anarchy.


38 posted on 03/09/2018 9:56:09 AM PST by aquila48
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To: central_va
I want more tariffs and less income taxes.

Do you also want a pony?

Since tariffs are taxes, the conservative position would be to want less of both. But don't worry, government is there to protect you.

A Republic, if you can keep it.....

39 posted on 03/09/2018 10:04:33 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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The Founders of this country didn't care about the political principles at stake with states imposing tariffs against each other. The history of this country's trade policies demonstrates that our Founders were protectionists to the core. They outlawed tariffs between states to avoid a very plausible scenario where an individual state could have stronger economic ties to a foreign power like England or France than to a neighboring state ... even to the point where that state would adopt a foreign currency for domestic business transactions. At that point the United States of America would cease to exist. Sound familiar?

Citing that Goldwater quote to support a national "free trade" policy might explain why the guy was a disastrous presidential candidate.

What right do you have to tell me when or how to spend my money, or anyone else? Liberty is the ability of individuals to determine their own path to either prosperity or poverty.

That's exactly the kind of attitude that the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and every "sanctuary city" mayor in this country uses to justify themselves as they promote a massive Latin American invasion of the U.S.

40 posted on 03/09/2018 10:30:13 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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