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Long read but thorough. 17 Years of continuing redesign says it all....
1 posted on 04/02/2018 3:49:25 AM PDT by maddog55
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To: maddog55

Jesus. For THIS, Obama killed the F-22?

What a POS muslin asshat he was.


2 posted on 04/02/2018 3:50:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (What America needs is more Hogg control.)
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When will we abandon this thing?


3 posted on 04/02/2018 3:50:52 AM PDT by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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I’m not in the military, but the F-35 seems to me, to be quite a good plane.

Best ever. By anyone. Ever.


4 posted on 04/02/2018 3:51:28 AM PDT by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Until you compare it to the gestation period of the F-22 Raptor.


5 posted on 04/02/2018 3:51:38 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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The plane is too fat looking. No Aircraft this out of proportion will ever work.


8 posted on 04/02/2018 3:57:03 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (All I know is what I read in the papers.)
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Well known for his pro-Boeing / anti-Lockheed writings.


27 posted on 04/02/2018 5:09:43 AM PDT by PAR35
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Hmmmm... I just read an article about Israel deploying many F-35s and being very pleased with them.


32 posted on 04/02/2018 5:32:06 AM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus III (Do, or do not, there is no try.)
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Just some more sour grapes from the loser (Boeing). If you want confirmation, just look at Israel - they do not spend that much on a “failed” fighter.


39 posted on 04/02/2018 6:03:36 AM PDT by impactplayer
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Like the F-22, the new oxygen system concerns me, but just about everything else is software. It will get there. Some of it is math related, I’ll bet. I personally think that the Air Force should buy a combination of A, B and C models. “Flexibility is the key to Air Power”. The C models would pick up some of the Air-to-Air slack.


45 posted on 04/02/2018 6:41:32 AM PDT by Revolutionary ("Praise the Lord and Pass the Ammunition!")
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F-35 is junk :p

The F-16 C & D models cost $40 mill, and it was much better.


51 posted on 04/02/2018 7:05:31 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: maddog55; vette6387; Jet Jaguar; unkus; mazda77; JLAGRAYFOX

Israeli Adir; their version of the F-35.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRANcN3bSA


65 posted on 04/02/2018 8:00:38 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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The F4 Phantom had a internal Vulcan (M61A) 20 mm, six-barrel, rotary-cannon with 639 rounds.
Most of the 107 kills were by missiles....when they worked. 15 by gun.
The F-15 Eagle maxed out at 940 rounds rounds.
The F-22 holds the same Vulcan Electric M61A2 cannon that the F-15 does and can hold 500 rounds.
The A10 Warthog’s seven-barrel 30mm GAU-8/A Avenger gun has as many as 1,174 rounds.
F-35A’s internal 25mm gun has 220 rounds.


83 posted on 04/02/2018 6:00:44 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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All this being said, and as angry as we taxpayers and Citizens should be...

in the end of it all...

Who will be held accountable? What is the answer?

The Contractors who submitted crap? The same-said contractors who have committed what amounts to fraud?

The DOD brass who have ALLOWED all of this to happen with a wink and a nod?

Former Administrations who pawned this off (Bush and Obama)?

Congress for not stepping in and holding someone accountable before now?

This entire program from inception, has been a money pit that has NOT paid off or given a tangible return on investment. MANY have grown incredibly rich (or exponentially richer) off the taxpayer dollars spent on this - and we still don’t have a fully-operational airframe in service (and we are now 10 years post-deadline).

The system is broken - but yall be honest - what hope is there of EVER holding ANYONE accountable for $billions in literally stolen/waisted taxpayer dollars?

ZERO...

And don’t hold your breath for any tangible changes to prevent such waste and fraud in the future. WAY too many on BOTH sides of the political isle have had not only campaigns enriched, but their own pocketbooks inflated directly and indirectly from defense contractors.

So - pontificate all you want. Bloviate till you are blue in the face - but be intellectually honest - it just doesn’t matter. Our system is every bit as corrupt as Venezuela or any of the despotic hellholes around the world we wring our hands about. We just vote for the crooks...


86 posted on 04/03/2018 8:47:55 AM PDT by TheBattman (Democrats-Progressives-Marxists-Socialists - redundant labels.)
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