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Jonah Goldberg’s "Suicide Of The West"
Hotair.com ^ | 4-16-19 | John Sexton

Posted on 04/16/2018 3:17:44 PM PDT by DeweyCA

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To: DeweyCA

The general thesis sounds correct, but Jonah is such a rabid Never Trumper, I wonder how much that has polluted the book. Surely it works against his perspective insofar as he can’t see the Trump movement as a last best hope to win it back for another generation.


21 posted on 04/16/2018 5:02:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: DeweyCA

I agreed with Sexton’s and Goldberg’s overall analysis, but think that they did not discuss the underlying cause of the ingratitude. That cause is the Leftists’ inordinate sense of self and their out-sized sinful pride. That is what causes them to be ungrateful. Their self-centered ego makes them think that they are entitled to more than what they have been given, and so they are ungrateful. They do not believe in the fallenness of mankind, and especially not of themselves being fallen, sinful, corruptible individuals.
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Agreed. But I think it goes further, in their hearts of cloven-hoofed hearts they know they’ll never get what they feel entitled to. Who can ascend to that level of worthiness.

God, but they have no God, and they not only don’t believe but hate your God. They hate anything that diminishes their glory. So they become God.

If the snail-darter fish is becoming extinct, then God has failed in their warped minds. But they can save it. All they have to do is join a group on Facebook. And if children are hungry just make a banner of “Feed The Children”. Then just sit back, smirk and revel in righteousness.

If only God knew how easy it is.


22 posted on 04/16/2018 5:06:43 PM PDT by Eagles Field
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To: DeweyCA
Jonah's no James Burnham.

Maybe Burnham wasn't either (people don't talk about him much lately).

If you say, we have to be strong to fight this external threat, you may get a positive response in some places and maybe change things, but if you say we have to resist all manner of internal weaknesses and self-indulgences that could eventually destroy our society, few people will listen.

If you have an economy based on consumption and self-indulgence, it's hard to tell people that they should restrain themselves when others don't.

23 posted on 04/16/2018 5:12:56 PM PDT by x
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To: DeweyCA

ping for later reading


24 posted on 04/16/2018 5:17:32 PM PDT by Kommodor (Terrorist, Journalist or Democrat? I can't tell the difference.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Some vessels are so flawed, they can’t possibly carry a message.


25 posted on 04/16/2018 5:17:38 PM PDT by Rastus
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He also sided with the critics of Mark Levin’s global warming chapter in “Liberty and Tyranny.”


26 posted on 04/16/2018 5:21:25 PM PDT by TakebackGOP
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To: Chickensoup

Lucianne is alive, well, and a far better source of headlines than He Who Went to the Dark Side.


27 posted on 04/16/2018 5:26:26 PM PDT by jazminerose (Adorable Deplorable)
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To: x; uncbob
Sorry, Jonah, but you should have come up with a more unique title. The original Suicide of the West (New York: Day, 1964), written by a superior writer, is a conservative classic--something none of your writings will ever be.


28 posted on 04/16/2018 5:26:59 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: DeweyCA
So where are the Right-leaning students who will stick the Left Wing rioters up against a wall and belt them on the nose? Oh, of course they have been told that is bad behavior and they must not do it. Disarm your opponent ahead of the fight. The Right are the idiots because THEY DO NOT FIGHT BACK.
29 posted on 04/16/2018 5:38:23 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Google Nov. 8th 2016 and get back to us. The rules have changed.


30 posted on 04/16/2018 5:46:23 PM PDT by Eagles Field
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To: DeweyCA
Leftism/Progressivism, whatever you want to call it, is Satanic in nature and methodology. It originates from the same impulse that was attributed to Satan's downfall, and the original sin of Adam and Eve.

This could be repeated unto infinity, and it wouldn't be enough. This is absolutely, unequivocally true. Socialism is from Satan. It's his best way of fighting back against God.

31 posted on 04/16/2018 6:22:47 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Three most annoying words on the internet - "Watch the Video")
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To: DeweyCA

The West isnt committing suicide, it is being murdered by the left. The left is obsessed with implementing Communism, an economic system that fails and results in mass murder every time it’s tried. The prosperity of the West is fueled by Capitalism and this system must fail in order to get people to demand a new system. In other words the left is doing everything they can to disrupt Western civ to convince people that the current system doesnt work. Once that is accomplished people will be willing to accept communism as a replacement.


32 posted on 04/16/2018 6:37:03 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: DeweyCA

FU JG.


33 posted on 04/17/2018 1:27:48 AM PDT by Bulldaddy
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To: jazminerose

who is He Who Went to the Dark Side?

LGF?


34 posted on 04/17/2018 1:35:13 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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To: DeweyCA

I like Jonah Goldberg and I like the premise of conservatism as gratitude. Sure wish he’d snap out of his anti-Trumpism tho.


35 posted on 04/17/2018 1:55:58 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Chickensoup

Drudge.


36 posted on 04/17/2018 3:31:40 AM PDT by jazminerose (Adorable Deplorable)
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To: DeweyCA

“Free trade” and offshoring are destroying capitalism and wealth of the USA and creating debt.


37 posted on 04/17/2018 3:53:56 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Tom in SFCA
As Protestantism has been undermined and supplanted so has America

I grew up in what was in essence a Dutch Reformed church which later joined the farcical "United Church of Christ"

I don't think protestantism has been undermined - I think it's a failure, and that its fate (in retrospect) was perfectly predictable from the days of Luther and Zwingli.

If the only structure of the Christian Church from the beginning was house churches and evangelical local churches, the whole thing would have been over in 200 years and no one living today would have ever heard of Jesus Christ.

Whether the Western Church, or what's left of it, can survive Francis remains to be seen.

38 posted on 04/17/2018 4:06:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Jim Noble

Every human substitution for the Church is a failure.

You apparently do not believe in Divine providence.

I say we are headed back to tbe Catacombs.


39 posted on 04/17/2018 5:22:33 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

A couple of small points
“So where are the Right-leaning students who will stick the Left Wing rioters up against a wall and belt them on the nose? Oh, of course they have been told that is bad behavior and they must not do it.”

Did your mother ever say (something like) “and if all your friends were going over a cliff would you?” It was mom’s favorite sayings, Just because antifa/blm and their allies are being stupid, does not mean we should also. That said, us “fighting back” is exactly what they want.

“The Right are the idiots because THEY DO NOT FIGHT BACK.”

There is a right way and a wrong way to do this, and the wrong way is to act like they do.

One of Jonah’s points is, by acting like the hard left we can win the battle, but lose the war.


40 posted on 05/06/2018 4:48:21 AM PDT by Valin
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