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...shooting reminds America what vets already know: civilian gun culture is a dysfunctional mess
Nothing But Communistgs ^ | 05/18/2018 | Michael E. Diamond

Posted on 05/19/2018 2:29:50 PM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: BenLurkin
Ask anyone who goes to a range regularly, and they'll tell you that most of the "civilian" shooters are as good or better than the cops that go to the same range.

Being a cop or a service member does not automatically bestow some phenomenal expertise with a firearm.

And whether it does or not, I don't recall there being any "entrance criteria" for the 2nd Amendment. Whether this lackey thinks someone is qualified to own a firearm or not, that right is vouchsafed by our Constitution.

21 posted on 05/19/2018 3:26:15 PM PDT by IronJack (A)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s called personal freedom - and personal responsibility. Yes, any non-felon adult can go buy a firearm without a clue as to how to use it. If they injure or kill themselves or others they will (quite rightly) suffer the consequences. I’d rather have that system than one where an all-powerful state decides what I’m allowed to own and operate.


22 posted on 05/19/2018 3:26:51 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Doing my part to help make America great again!)
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To: BenLurkin

To Mr. Diamond:

I spent a while writing a long exposition about how you are completely wrong and frankly a total moron. Then decided why bother? You’re too stupid to understand basic history, the Constitution, why the 2nd Amendmen exists, and pretty much anything else of import.

To reiterate: Mr. Diamond, you are completely wrong and a total moron.

/clearly not directed to you, Ben


23 posted on 05/19/2018 3:32:51 PM PDT by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: Bonemaker
There’s a huge red flag...

Yep. He lost me at "gun reform". People who deliberately twist the narrative through cute word games aren't being sincere about anything else.

What I learned in the armed services is perhaps 5% of what I know about firearms, and I knew at least 50% of it before I ever took the oath. The author has no case.

24 posted on 05/19/2018 3:37:29 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: IronJack

Yup. I’ve seen it in real life. You are 100% correct. That said, I know service member and hunters (mostly deer and hogs) who are REALLY good. But they are on our side.


25 posted on 05/19/2018 3:37:58 PM PDT by piytar (http://www.truthrevolt.org/videos/bill-whittle-number-one-bullet)
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To: BenLurkin
Michael E. Diamond served as a military intelligence officer in the United States Army Reserve for seven years.

So, what war is he a veteran of? MI types typically do not engage in anything but paper pushing.

26 posted on 05/19/2018 3:44:27 PM PDT by doorgunner69 (Give me the liberty to take care of my own security..........)
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To: eyeamok

they are, in some part, the reason we D/A autos, which I despise.

John Moses Browning knew what he was doing when he designed guns, no improvement necessary.


27 posted on 05/19/2018 3:48:04 PM PDT by txnativegop (The political left, Mankinds intellectual hemlock)
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To: BenLurkin

Ok. This vet will bring his voice. I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies foriegn and domestic. That means defend the 2nd amendment from infringement. Infringement from the author. The author who is an enemy of the constitution. I will do that.


28 posted on 05/19/2018 3:50:29 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: BenLurkin

Why is it that the only place I feel safe without carrying is at a gun show?


29 posted on 05/19/2018 3:56:37 PM PDT by Spok ("What're you going to believe-me or your own eyes?" -Marx (Groucho))
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To: BenLurkin
training and regulation. No. that part is Unconstitutional. The first part can be implemented by NRA gun safety courses in all the schools.
30 posted on 05/19/2018 3:58:36 PM PDT by arthurus (lj)
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To: BenLurkin

Thanks for reminding us what could\does happen when our military is unarmed.

He didn’t go back far enough.
By the time I got to RVN, we had to have a red wooden block in the magazine well of the M16, when we were on base.
It had a notch on it that sat between the bolt and the round chamber.
That solution must have been based on military intelligence as there was no solution for the 1911a1 or the Shotguns many carried.
and that solution was not applicable in the states...go figure.


31 posted on 05/19/2018 4:03:25 PM PDT by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: BenLurkin

we need to restore firearms training (and shooting sports) to our high schools!


32 posted on 05/19/2018 4:11:36 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ("Politicans aren't born, they're excreted." -Marcus Tillius Cicero (3 BCE))
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To: BenLurkin

This cat seems to assume that people go into the military knowing nothing about guns ammunition shooting and the like. Like somebody else said he should speak for himself but not the rest of us. He ought to watch the movie, Sergeant York.


33 posted on 05/19/2018 4:12:26 PM PDT by Migraine ((A smartass who is right can be downright funny. A smartass who is wrong is just a smartass.))
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To: MNJohnnie

“...you might want to actually have done something other then logistics your whole military carrier.
When your create a deliberate false premise about your military background at the start of your article, it destroys any intellectually credibility it might have had.”

Couldn’t find the word “logistics” anywhere in the linked NBC News article.

The final line described author Michael Diamond as an intel officer who spent seven years in the Army Reserves.

None of which qualifies him, nor disqualifies him.

More than 24 years on active duty convinced me that it’s possible to find fantastic, aware, insightful, talented, committed people in any technical specialty. The other side of the coin: it’s possible to find wrongheaded morons and petty tyrants anywhere also. Being a trained trigger-puller is no guarantee of a sensible understanding nor greater awareness of what’s going on. And the same holds, for combat veterans, jarringly enough.

And members of the military can be all over the map politically: I met political liberals who were far better at their jobs than political conservatives.

What Michael Diamond has done is to confuse the military with wider society: the military is a top-down, authoritarian organization that is necessarily run socialistically. Given the imperatives of command and control, unity of purpose, and centralized direction, it’s tough to see how any other sort of organizational structure could function effectively. The military serves the nation and the wider society, not the other way around.

Left/Progressive totalitarians commit a cardinal error when they conclude that what works for the military will work for the wider society.

What Michael Diamond has written here proves he is a dunce, not some professional with extra-powerful brains and penetrating insight. Which - unsurprisingly - has no impact on the mavens at NBC who are propping him up to pose as someone with special understanding of the problem, and thus higher credibility and authority.


34 posted on 05/19/2018 4:13:18 PM PDT by schurmann
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To: BenLurkin

I am not sure about other vets, but I have never walked out of a store with a weapon. I have walked out with many tools.
My guns and knives are tools, I am the weapon.
The problem is not the guns but the culture we have allowed to remove the testicles from boys and put them on girls.
So I guess the current vets are a product of that culture.
Also the problem is that young people today have very little knowledge of history or the constitution. It is such a sad thing that we have let happen to our country.


35 posted on 05/19/2018 4:27:26 PM PDT by Big Mack (I love this country.It's the government that scares the crap out of me)
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To: BenLurkin

There is no gun culture. When you strip a kid of all reason for living with your insane nihilistic liberalism, and he becomes depressed, and you shove “antidepressants” into him, you cause the murders.
The chemicals make the body show external signs of being happy, while the person is actually unhappy. It is well known that the drugs lead to thoughts of suicide or violence!!!!! That is no f*cking antidepressant!

I swear, half this country is f*cking insane!


36 posted on 05/19/2018 4:28:44 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Leftism is an elaborate system for hiding shame behind a cheap mash of virtue. -Klavan.)
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To: BenLurkin

through training and regulation?????

Training yes regulation no


37 posted on 05/19/2018 4:35:00 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: BenLurkin

“Michael E. Diamond served as a military intelligence officer in the United States Army Reserve for seven years.”

No years given

MI in the reserve. Why should I believe anything this yob says?


38 posted on 05/19/2018 4:40:19 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: BenLurkin

It used to be that safe gun use and respect for firearms was a natural part of growing up in a family. Sadly, today guns are introduced in the worse possible way to our unsupervised youth through video games and on the silver screen. In this fictional, make believe world killing is glamorized and completely removed from reality, which later makes it much to easy to move from their make believe world into a real world where actions have grave consequences.


39 posted on 05/19/2018 4:55:09 PM PDT by iontheball
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To: Nifster

I don’t disparage him for speaking his mind about how he feels about guns. That is his right.

I deeply and with prejudice disparage the notion he seems to have that he speaks for other people who have also served in the military.

I ran into people like him in the “Veterans for Peace” group at confrontations down in Washington during protests. We had eight active duty Marines in civvies who had just returned from a tour of duty in combat, I met them in Arlington while visiting my dad’s grave and invited them to join us.

When we encountered this Vet for Peace guy, one of the Marines with us took extreme exception with what the guy was saying and had to be held back by his buddies.

That is why it bugged me to read this guy’s comments. He DOES NOT SPEAK FOR ME.

And he DEFINITELY does not speak for THOSE men.


40 posted on 05/19/2018 5:23:12 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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