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NATO allies defend military spending amid Trump criticism
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| Jun 3, 2018 1:17 PM EDT
| Lorne Cook and Jan M. Olsen
Posted on 07/03/2018 10:27:26 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:27:27 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
To: Olog-hai
If I’m Trump I bump that requirement up to 5%.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:29:06 AM PDT
by
ealgeone
To: Olog-hai
Are these nations truly our allies?
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:29:24 AM PDT
by
BenLurkin
(The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
To: Olog-hai
People who are accustomed to getting handouts are always incredibly good at explaining why they must continue to get handouts.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:30:24 AM PDT
by
Steely Tom
([Seth Rich] == [the Democrat's John Dean])
To: BenLurkin
If you want an answer, just look at the raison d’être for the European Union in the first place.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:30:41 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
To: Steely Tom
The real reason for their “love” of Obama, Mr. Global Redistribution, is on display here. (Funny how he was so kindly to these colonial powers.)
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:32:05 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:32:30 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
To: Olog-hai
The German papers are reporting that Trump told the German government that US troops will be moved from Germany to Poland, and also cited reports that the Polish government is ecstatic.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:34:26 AM PDT
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
To: Olog-hai
Weren’t they supposed to have their own EU Military?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/25/nine-eu-states-to-sign-off-on-joint-military-intervention-force
Pull everyone out. Deal with countries that want us. For the most part, we’re the only country in the world that is completely self sustaining. We don’t need to import anything, when it comes down to it.
Set up partnerships with the Eastern European bloc: Poland, Hungary, etc. Let the man-bun liberals of Western Europe have their intervention force. They’ll be swallowed up by Russia in no time.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:34:57 AM PDT
by
qaz123
To: pierrem15
Be funny if the Russkies begged the Germans to pay up, so they wouldn’t have more NATO troops in Poland.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:36:55 AM PDT
by
dfwgator
(Endut! Hoch Hech!)
To: qaz123
Both the EU and Russia are attempting to divide those former Eastern Bloc nations between them (again), so that relationship better happen fast, because the intent for the EU’s military was always for aggression towards the USA.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:37:21 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
To: pierrem15
I hope Trump does not deploy American troops to Poland. Better would be to largely move American troops out of Europe entirely. Besides, how could an American deployment of troops in Poland be sustained without relying on a logistical network running through Germany? And American troops in Poland would be as destabilizing and provocative to Russia as a Russian army in Mexico would be to us. American forces in Poland is a terrible idea.
To: Olog-hai
“Foreign Ministers von Ribbentrop and Molotov, please pick up the Brussels courtesy phone ...”
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:43:13 AM PDT
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
To: BenLurkin
“Are these nations truly our allies?”
Nope. They are parasites.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:46:22 AM PDT
by
Grimmy
(equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
To: Colonel Kangaroo
How is going to Poland terrible?
If the EU does decide to form a military, we do not need to cross the Atlantic or any other long distance to put a stop to it.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:52:42 AM PDT
by
Olog-hai
("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
To: Colonel Kangaroo
The current logistics path is still predicated on defending West Germany. With the extension of NATO eastward, moving the logistics through Hamburg by rail or the Kiel canal might be an improvement. We can also work with Norway, Denmark and Sweden to improve defenses of the Skagerrak, or just pre-position equipment.
As to "provoking" the Russians, I can't think of a worse policy than allowing seizure of territory from Ukraine and tearing up the arms control treaties in Europe (INF and Conventional Forces treaties) without consequences.
You can make a case that US should abandon its overseas military commitments, but you should also realize the consequences: some serious increase in defense spending to ensure adequate, "close-in" defense of US territory and the guarantee that any future conflict will be fought at least in part on American soil.
Pick your poison.
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posted on
07/03/2018 10:55:08 AM PDT
by
pierrem15
("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
To: BenLurkin
No. Of course not. Theyve made that obvious for decades.
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posted on
07/03/2018 11:09:32 AM PDT
by
FLT-bird
To: pierrem15
AWESOME! He and Reagan are by a mile the best presidents in my lifetime.
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posted on
07/03/2018 11:10:49 AM PDT
by
FLT-bird
To: pierrem15
I think in the long run, the more close in defense is the only sustainable model for a nation. I am a big fan of the role of “offshore balancer” and limited expenditure on the continent similar to the policy that served Great Britain so well for centuries until their blunder of 1914.
To: Olog-hai
I think Europe can find a stable equilibrium with a much lower level of involvement and expenditure from the US. Empire and overextention killed Rome, Spain and France. I do not want our nation to follow.
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