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To: palmer
There is some disgusting stuff out there, but there is no basement at Comet Pizza.

I don't regard that as a central aspect of the PizzaGate concern. Yes, some people said that, and it was entirely speculation. There were photographs of dungeon/basement like images on the Jimmy Comet instagram feed, or perhaps that of Podesta. I recall seeing the images, but that was almost two years ago.

The media has used pizzagate to discredit the opposition to Podesta and Hillary and that doesn't mean they invented it to do that. But it is a fact that pizzagate discredits the opposition and is used to paint them all as loons.

Well yes, this is of course true. The media has pointed out the kook with the gun looking for the basement, and made certain the public was aware that there was no basement at Comet Pizza. What the media deliberately refrained from making the public aware of, was the weirdo sick sh*t that James Alefantis and Tony Podesta and company said, showed images of, and suggested. The public has only seen one side of this issue, and that is the side the media wants them to see.

Look, i'm not convinced that PizzaGate is exactly what the more histrionic among us claim it is, but i've seen enough to convince me that what is/was going on in this circle of people is not normal, and it explicitly involves children. There are links to the Haiti child abductions and exploitation, there are links to known pedophiles in other parts of the world, and there is a whole pile of wierdo sh*t that doesn't make any sense outside of child exploitation.

So given the uncertainty of the origin of the evidence and the fact that it paints the opposition as loons, I pass on it, unless something more substantial comes up.

You don't consider this NIXVM sex cult thing "more substantial"? Same circle of people, just the New York cult instead of the Washington DC cult. Big Hillary supporters and members of the Clinton foundation. Who would have believed that so many women would be branded with the initials of the heads of this sex cult? Sounds like crazy talk, but it happened to be true.

The opposition looks like loons because they speculate and because the media paints them as loons. They did exactly the same thing with the "Birthers" who, if you got off the stupid "born in Kenya" theory, most of them made some very good points on the question of Article II and whether or not 14th amendment citizenship constitutes "natural born".

The media painted Reagan as an affable old fool, Nixon was a crook, Bush was a party boy idiot, and Clinton was a brilliant Genius Rhodes Scholar.

The media play for the opposition. Their portrayals of people are based on whether or not they are good for the Democrat party, and pretty much nothing else.

I'm just saying keep an open mind, and don't dismiss the possibility yet. One of Hillary's prominent campaign staffers was indicted for some sick sh*t.

Unsealed Indictment released for Hillary Clinton campaign chairman Joel Davis. PDF

And yes, it involves children.

53 posted on 07/25/2018 5:44:28 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp
Was Joel Davis a Clinton campaign staffer? The AP says no: Davis was not referred to, cited or quoted as a member of the Clinton campaign team in any news story published between 2012 and 2017, according to an archive search of all newspaper, television transcripts and newswire services around the world.

I understand pretty well about the Haiti child trafficking woman. She could have done it for adoption, or for sexual exploitation, but it is trafficking either way. The problem with sayihg the media is always false or at least always covering for the Clintons, like with the AP's Joel Davis statement, is it doesn't allow for independent factual research. He certainly is or was a HIllary supporter in 2016. But any offficial role is unclear. I would want to see the evidence for it.

55 posted on 07/25/2018 8:47:41 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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To: DiogenesLamp
BTW, it's really not a good idea to link images from random websites like themillenniumreport.com and ibankcoin.com as you did above. First because that is unhelpful with provenance. If someone asks where the image came from, the only thing we can say is from a completely anonymous website that nobody has ever heard of.

But more importantly, using images from just anyone's website means they can trivially associate our IP address with our screen name. They just have to match the timing in their website logs with the timestamp on our comments. That is unlikely with imgur or 100's of other image hosting services. Either they do not keep logs or they are unlikely to be tracking people through logs.

If the images are part of a disinfo campaign and they are being tracked (two if's that may or may not be true), then the people behind the campaign can more effectively target their audience.

56 posted on 07/25/2018 9:04:08 PM PDT by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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