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My Observations And Questions After Finally Seeing F-35Bs Operate From HMS Queen Elizabeth
The Drive ^ | SEPTEMBER 30, 2018 | TYLER ROGOWAY

Posted on 10/04/2018 11:16:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

What a crazy week it has been for the F-35 program and the F-35B in particular. In the space of just a few days, the type racked up its first U.S. combat mission, its first operations aboard the Royal Navy's new aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth, and its first total loss crash and pilot ejection. It was definitely a mixed bag, but as I noted to readers on Friday, the F-35 program can only be incredibly proud of its safety record. Sure there have been plenty of close calls, but going through nearly 12 years of tortured developmental and operational flying (18 if you count the Joint Strike Fighter X-plane fly-off, but you really shouldn't) without an in-flight crash like the one of Friday really is quite amazing.

F-35s hitting the Queen Elizabeth's deck for the first time is a huge milestone for the Royal Navy and the UK Ministry of Defense as a whole. After entirely forfeiting its fixed-wing aircraft carrier capacity eight years ago with the retirement of the Harrier and the aging Invincible class carriers that took them to sea, getting that capability back, and in an expanded form, is quite exciting. In fact, I have never seen UK defense enthusiasts this amped up—almost to a comical degree, to be honest—about anything in the past. But when you consider they saw a staple Royal Navy capability suddenly strangled to its death nearly a decade ago, Friday's milestone couldn't have come soon enough.

Apparently, there has been some controversy about how this big event was handled by the Royal Navy's public affairs team. Regardless, some great images have come out of the F-35B's inaugural operations from Queen Elizabeth's deck as the ship sails off the east coast of the United States and I have some observations I would like to share and questions I would like to ask about a few of them.

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This is a great shot of the ship underway while an F-35B makes its approach. In the future, the aircraft will execute rolling landings on her deck, which you can read all about in this past piece of mine. I do wonder what that big tower is for? We know the F-35B is very sensitive to lightning (ironic I know) and the USMC has to set up special lightning towers around their aircraft when parked in the open in storm-prone locales, but I have never seen something like this on an American amphibious assault ship before. Maybe there is another reason for the tower. Let us know in the comments below if you have an answer.

This image shows the stadium-like observation area inside the control tower area on HMS Queen Elizabeth. It's a very cool setup, but I do wonder as to exactly what standards the ship was designed and built? Those huge panes of glass are great for visibility, but can they sustain any significant battle or accident damage? Compared to what we see on any other carrier around the globe, this almost looks like a commercial setup. Maybe some sort of new glass technology was used, but still, it seems a bit sketchy for a warship, especially for one with minimal defenses.

The ship's flight operations area looks huge in this shot. That is a ton of space for a STOVL fighter, more than on any ship before—that is aside from when USMC AV-8 Harriers operated from U.S. Navy supercarriers on a couple occasions in the past. It will be interesting to see what tempo of flight operations they can squeeze out of these big ships in comparison to U.S. Navy LHDs and LHAs. It's also a reminder of how these ships could have been CATOBAR equipped and how licensed-built new ones could potentially be in the future if the U.S. Navy ever actually moves to procure a smaller, conventionally powered carrier design. As it sits now, these ships cost a fraction of the price of Ford class supercarrier.

If anyone says the F-35B isn't fascinating to watch land vertically, they are crazy.

Here's a great shot showing the F-35B and the navigational and flight control islands and their various sensors and communications systems, with the Artisan 3D radar above the rear island and the S1850M Long-Range Radar mounted atop the bridge. Note the electro-optical/infrared sensor system above the corner of the bridge as well. This likely operates in a similar role as the Mk20 system found installed atop American destroyer and cruiser bridges.

In this picture, you can see one of the ship's three 'big board' digital flight information displays. They give deck crew up to the minute information on aircraft status, a feature not found on American carriers. A stoplights system is also used to inform deck crews the status of the deck during air operations.

I'm not totally clear on the Royal Navy's shirt colors for deck crew. There may be some slight deviation from the U.S. Navy's color organization which you can read all about in this past piece of mine.

A nice detail view of the F-35B's nose here. Note all the electro-optical gear on the jet's pointy end. You are seeing the EOTS below the nose, a DAS aperture above the nose, a flight camera system in the dash that is used for debriefing, and the pilot's notoriously complex helmet mounted display has its own electro-optical/night vision sensors as well.

This is a great shot, obviously, it shows a very happy test pilot, but it also highlights the reality of stealth airframes. Here you can see how some of the aircraft seams around the cockpit area and the canopy have been masked with radar absorbent tape and gap fillers. The process is maintenance intensive, although Lockheed claims they have made major inroads over the F-22's design when it comes to making maintaining the F-35's skin a less arduous affair, with most of the low-observable coatings being 'baked in' to the aircraft's skin itself. You can also see evidence of the F-35's canopy delamination issue. It looks like some fairly crude repairs have been done to keep canopy in service. It's also worth noting that these are test jets, not ones that would be used in combat, so in some cases, their radar absorbent coatings may have been allowed to erode further than those found on their front-line counterparts.

This is another nice detail shot with the canopy open. Once again, notice the crude tape around the canopy's frame. Also, note the patinaed panel in front of the refueling probe door.

This head-on shot gives a good view of the jet's unique lines.

Now for some ski-jump shots! It's awesome to see an actual ship's ramp in use after years of land-based testing. Video of the F-35 using it is pretty freaky, the aircraft looks to be moving way too slow to fly, but it has the benefit of two pillars of thrust from its F135 engine and its attached lift-fan.

Once again, the ship has a huge operating area. With the USMC's help, the Royal Navy will hopefully be able to load that deck up with a few dozen F-35Bs in the coming decade. The ship also appears to be sitting quite high in the water, which makes sense as she has no air wing aboard.

A spectacular formation shot of the two F-35Bs used in the trials as they wheel around at low level towards the ship. These aircraft belong to U.S. Navy Air Test and Evaluation Squadron VX-23 'Salty Dogs' based out of NAS Patuxent River. These aircraft are 'orange wired' for testing duties and their pilots have led-up the F-35B's shipboard integration program. The Royal Navy's F-35Bs are scattered about in other locations, including in the UK, but it won't be all that long now until they too get a shot at the carrier's deck, too.

This sight will hopefully become all too common in the coming decade, with American and UK F-35Bs operating from the Royal Navy's two new carriers.

F-35Bs finally in the pattern above HMS Queen Elizabeth!

The Queen Elizabeth's unique deck layout offers a ton of room for moving about and for launching, recovering, and storing aircraft.

This is just the start of a long and complicated process and it will be great to watch the Royal Navy's fixed-wing carrier aviation capability to be reborn in the coming years. But even though this event may be full of high-fives and excitement, the Royal Navy's new carriers remain controversial fixtures within the Ministry of Defense's portfolio. Just how much capability is the Royal Navy, and the MoD as a whole, going to have to sacrifice to keep these ships serviceable, especially considering the fleet is already facing operational shortfalls. But we will leave the debate over these issues for another day. In the meantime, the Royal Navy can bask a bit in the glory of their new ship and its stealth fighters.

As for that F-35B crash at MCAS Beaufort, there has been no grounding order from the Marine corps, so F-35B operations continue as normal, although we still have no idea of what could have been the cause.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35b; hmsqueenelizabeth
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1 posted on 10/04/2018 11:16:58 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Lovely. Will read more later. A few weeks ago, I found a link posted in twitter of this ship leaving its home port in Australia setting out to sea. The youtube video lasted 45 minutes. The sailors and airmen stood at attention around the perimeter the entire time! The people on shore had gathered to wave goodbye. Their navy band marched up and down the long runway playing navy tunes. Perhaps that’s SOP on all navy ships., but it really is beautiful to see. Gives me the sense there is still a Western Civilization.


2 posted on 10/04/2018 11:34:19 PM PDT by The Westerner (Protect the most vulnerable: get the government out of medicine and education!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Said it before. Gotta say it again. That is an ugly ship.


3 posted on 10/04/2018 11:37:04 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

And that kind of ugly shows up on radar and in combat draws missiles as if the ship has a death wish. The new Brit carrier seems likely to operate either in permissive environments or as part of a US led task force.


4 posted on 10/05/2018 12:27:13 AM PDT by Rockingham
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To: The Westerner
this ship leaving its home port in Australia

Australia???

Poor old Pompey.

5 posted on 10/05/2018 12:56:51 AM PDT by Winniesboy
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To: sukhoi-30mki
The old maxim of "If it looks good it is good" applies here because that is one ugly looking vessel.
6 posted on 10/05/2018 1:30:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: BenLurkin

It’s lack of angled deck seems controversial to me. I know the British invented and are doing away with it now for specific reasons of getting as much runway, but it seems weird to me.


7 posted on 10/05/2018 1:42:54 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for this articulate posting. Heard a strategy discussion on John Batchelor’s show advocating putting longer range aircraft which have a strategic bombing strike and a longer TOT (time over target) capability which lets them get deep into the enemy’s interior on these ships. As well as being able to launch a targeted raid (ground assault) on a selected region.


8 posted on 10/05/2018 2:47:19 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin another gem posted in the wilderness)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for this articulate posting. Heard a strategy discussion on John Batchelor’s show advocating putting longer range aircraft which have a strategic bombing strike and a longer TOT (time over target) capability which lets them get deep into the enemy’s interior on these ships. As well as being able to launch a targeted raid (ground assault) on a selected region.


9 posted on 10/05/2018 2:47:20 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin another gem posted in the wilderness)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Thanks for this articulate posting. Heard a strategy discussion on John Batchelor’s show advocating putting longer range aircraft which have a strategic bombing strike and a longer TOT (time over target) capability which lets them get deep into the enemy’s interior on these ships. As well as being able to launch a targeted raid (ground assault) on a selected region.


10 posted on 10/05/2018 2:47:22 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (Mosesdapoet aka L.J.Keslin another gem posted in the wilderness)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Speaking of F-35s, the US is - apparently - providing Israel with additional planes from active USAF stock in response to the Russian S-300s in Syria.


11 posted on 10/05/2018 3:49:50 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: BenLurkin

It’s a floating empty parking lot projecting....what, exactly? Power? Snort. The UK doesn’t have any.


12 posted on 10/05/2018 3:59:02 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: BenLurkin

I get the distinct impression this person doesn’t know anything about carriers, flight operations, or military aviation in general. He did make a comment about the jersey colors of flight deck crews being different from ours, so he does know something.

It just read to me as if it were somebody who did the entertainment beat and was assigned to write this.

That said, I agree...that is one homely ship. But for the Brits, that is any port in a storm.


13 posted on 10/05/2018 4:32:11 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: rlmorel

It’s a floating Maginot Line.


14 posted on 10/05/2018 4:39:11 AM PDT by mewzilla (Has the FBI been spying on members of Congress?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
-—the stadium-like observation area inside the control tower area——

In the book Shattered Sword, the author determined that the Japanese loss At Midway was attributable to the commanders lack of space. The bridge on the Japanese Midway carriers were very restrictive. The Admiral in command had only about two square feet to exercise that command.

That is not the case on this carrier

15 posted on 10/05/2018 4:40:47 AM PDT by bert ((KE. N.P. N.C. +12) Muller..... conspiracy to over throw the government)
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To: rlmorel
It just read to me as if it were somebody who did the entertainment beat and was assigned to write this.

Tyler Rogoway is a writer for The War Zone and is a fervent basher of the F-35. He sounds like Pierre Spray, Jr.

It must have killed him inside to write anything about the F-35 that was not wall-to-wall bashing of the airframe.

16 posted on 10/05/2018 5:06:22 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo
Agreed...it was lines like this that made me think of the writer as a less than knowledgeable writer on military affairs:

"...Now for some ski-jump shots! It's awesome to see an actual ship's ramp in use after years of land-based testing. Video of the F-35 using it is pretty freaky, the aircraft looks to be moving way too slow to fly, but it has the benefit of two pillars of thrust from its F135 engine and its attached lift-fan..."

Awesome! Freaky!

Sigh. I long for the likes of Jane's Fighting Ships, but that ship has sailed. This is what we get now.

17 posted on 10/05/2018 5:20:48 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: mewzilla
I understand there is a high level of automation in things like Damage Control on that ship, which I don't dismiss out of hand.

They did it for reasons related to low manning levels, which are related to low recruitment levels, and to to have automation in damage control functions as an adjunct is fine, but to have it without the people to back it up in case it is damaged and doesn't work, and to depend on it seems like a recipe for disaster.

I don't like it.

18 posted on 10/05/2018 5:25:13 AM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KX3CqelVU0


19 posted on 10/05/2018 5:56:04 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: BenLurkin

The A-10 is an ugly aircraft to some. It does it’s job exceptionally well.


20 posted on 10/05/2018 6:01:35 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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