Posted on 10/24/2018 7:27:26 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
It’s always been a problem. Cut them off!
They want you dead. Read the Koran, for God’s sake!
Mr. Goldberg points out the excesses and crimes (?) of MBS, the shahs and others, but fails to mention that one US president, none other than Barack Hussein Obama, is known to have ordered the assassination of at least one US citizen, Anwar al-Awlaki, who hadn’t been convicted of anything. Two other Americans, Adam Gadahn and Ahmed Farouq, who were “not intentionally targeted” were also killed by Obama-ordered drone strikes.
I believe our approach to such things falls into the “selective outrage” category.
The Iranians are NOT the ones financing and supporting terrorist groups killing American men, women and children IN AMERICA.
Maybe the lesson from this is we should not be meddling in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan for the benefit of our endlessly demanding "allies" who want to solve their local problems with American blood and money.
“Most of the other defenders of Saudi Arabia don’t.”
I don’t consider myself a defender of Saudi Arabia. Muslim culture is a brutal, anti-woman, anti-western and anti-freedom war plan, whether it’s Sunni or Shia or any of the few sects between. However, Saudi Arabia is one of the pieces on the board. Western diplomacy should be about using those pieces in the way that best reforms Islam to our mutual advantage. The present leadership of SA and el-Sisi in Egypt are the best events to happen in our favor in my lifetime. (Atatürk came and went and has been erased.) We shouldn’t throw away any chance we get to improve Islam so that the 1.5 billion members can live freer and join us on the march towards peace.
I hate to agree with Obama, but these traitors were valued targets:
8 U.S. Code § 1481 - Loss of nationality by native-born or naturalized citizen; voluntary action; burden of proof; presumptions
(a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality—
(1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or
(3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or
(4)
(A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or
(5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or
(6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or
(7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if and when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction.
(b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after September 26, 1961 under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this chapter or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this chapter or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily.
They are also not afforded any protection under the Geneva Conventions:
an unlawful combatant is a fighter who does not play by the accepted rules of war, and therefore does not qualify for the Convention’s protections.
The Saudis are not financing and supporting terrorist groups killing Americans in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan
The Saudis are not actively harassing US shipping in the Persian Gulf
The Saudis are not developing nuclear weapon capacity.
Iran is.
So it is past time “Conservative Inc” stop being the mindless propaganda drones of the Iranians and focus on who are the real enemies of the USA.
Your idiocy on this topic is well established. You don’t need to keep posting on to provide more evidence of your complete lack of a hint of a notion of a whiff a clue of a rational thought.
I agree that it does seem that el-Sisi has done a good job stabilizing Egypt. But it also brings to the forefront disastrous US foreign policy. He had to get rid of the gov that was in power because of US meddling.
Pry your head out of one time and LEARN something rather then mindlessly cling to your emotion based infatile ignorance
Trust me, as a retired Army officer who spent a long time engaged in and teaching counterterrorism operations, I had no use for any of the three and I agree that they were traitors who needed to be at or below room temperature.
However, we are either a nation of laws or we aren’t. The President of the United States does not have the authority to order the assassination of anyone, especially a US citizen. Every American citizen, no matter how deplorable (and no, I’m not talking about we Trump supporters) is entitled to due process.
With respect to 8 U.S. Code § 1481 and INA § 349, the clause “with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality” is absolutely critical. Losing one’s citizenship does not only entail the performance of the actions mentioned in §s 1481 and 349, but performing them with the intent of relinquishing one’s citizenship.
I’m pretty sure joining ISIS is renouncing citizenship, but I’m no lawyer. I just think anyone who is actively supporting an unlawful belligerent force has explicitly renounced citizenship in fact.
I’m not aware of a specific precedent, but I imagine there were Americans who joined the Axis is WWII, and wouldn’t have received treatment on the field. Taking up arms against one’s country or supporting those engaged in an unlawful war seems pretty brazen to me.
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