[conservative98]

Listen:

https://soundcloud.com/conservativereview/levin-ryan-was-dead-wrong-on-birthright-citizenship-heres-how

[Yosemitest]

~ Reverse the Magnet ~

This is what it takes:

   1. Secure the border in a transparently verifiable way;

   2. End the anchor-baby interpretation of the 14th Amendment;

   3. Enforce E-Verify without exception and with severe penalties;

   4. End chain migration. Entry per individual qualifications, not family ties;

   5. Deportation upon contact with any law enforcement agency - federal, state, or local;

   6. No government benefits beyond critical emergency care (and that ought to be billed back to the home government);

   7. No "Path to Citizenship" - EVER - for anyone who has entered the US illegally.

Any measure which does not accomplish these things is unacceptable.
It is de facto amnesty.
And it will inevitably, ineluctably encourage millions and millions more illegal entries.

Sounds like a great "Plan of Action" to me.

We need to REQUIRE that students AND VOTERS UNDERSTAND the Constitution.
They must actually READ THE CONSTITUTION !
EXCERPT ...

RUSH: ... But it is a seminal moment
when a political party, as its official position, refuses to accept election results.
That’s where we are, and that’s why we’re where we are.
They refuse to accept it, for whatever reason.
They hate Trump, they don’t feel good about it, they disagree, whatever.
Doesn’t matter why.
Just the fact that they refuse to accept the results is a horribly dangerous thing.
Because what if it keeps up ?
What if the only time there is peace in America is when they win elections ?

You know, I predicted some time ago that they’re gonna figure this out at some point,
and the natural conclusion to figuring this out is,
“Well, let’s just eliminate elections !
If elections are what’s holding us back, let’s find a way to eliminate ’em !”
People laughed.
“Come on, Rush. That’s never gonna happen.”
Do not ever say the left isn’t capable of anything ever.
So now Trump,
rather than being intimidated by their refusal to accept his election,
rather than get his feelings hurt,
Trump doubles down, triples down.

Every time they hit him, he hits back with additional energy and verve —
and I’m telling you, this promise with an executive order to end birthright citizenship is huge,
and it’s why he was elected.
When things are going terribly wrong — and they are in our country right now.
When things are terribly wrong and out of control, you have to have somebody willing to go outside the so-called boundaries,
and Trump’s doing it every day and willing to do so.
Because this is what pushing back —
this is what defiance, this is what changing what the left is doing
— looks like.

It was never gonna be pretty.
It was never gonna be quiet.
It was never gonna be clean.
It requires a strong stomach and strong fortitude.
I don’t think any elected Republican other than Trump…
Even if they had made the promises Trump made,
I think all of them would have caved by now.
But Trump hasn’t.
He doubles down.
“Right. I’m gonna issue an executive order;
I’m gonna end birthright citizenship.”
Let me read to you the 14th Amendment and how it begins.
“All persons…”



Now, the 14th Amendment goes back to 1866.
I think it was ratified by Congress in 1866.
It was passed by Congress; ratified by the states two years later.
So in 1866, it was passed by Congress and ratified by the states in 1868,
and its original intent was to grant citizenship to slaves and their descendants.
It was part and parcel of the post-Civil War era of America fixing itself.
It was a good thing.
Our Constitution was written so that mistakes at the founding could be corrected.
The vast majority of people knew slavery at the founding was untenable,
but they needed the union in order to fight the Revolutionary War.
They needed the southern states.
They needed unity to do that

so they had to accept slavery,
but they built in safeguards to wipe it out,
and it happened in 1868 when the 14th Amendment passed.

It begins this way:
“All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the U.S. and of the state wherein they reside.”
It was clearly intended to be referring to slaves and their descendants.
The parts that birthright citizenship, uh, freaks have to delete are
“naturalized”
and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
You are not naturalized and you are not subject to the U.S. jurisdiction if you’re here illegally !
You cannot be !

You’re under some other country’s jurisdiction.
If you’re here illegally, you cannot possibly be naturalized.
Well, the birthright citizenship crowd —
which wants to water down American culture and destroy Western civilization
— conveniently leaves out “naturalized” and “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”
So your born-here child absolutely is not a citizen.
This is what Trump is saying.
Trump is finally pushing back against an assumption that has been made because
it was the path of least resistance, if you will.
But now it’s make-or-break time.

As my friend McCarthy says,
“You need somebody to break the furniture.”


Sometimes, you gotta remodel the house.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Okay, a little bit more background on the 14th Amendment here
’cause it’s gonna be relevant as the issue going forward.
Again, it was added after the Civil War.
Its purpose was to overrule the Dred Scott Decision !
Which was a horrible decision.
Dred Scott sanctioned slavery.
Roger Taney was the chief justice, forever the immortalized in infamy.
It held that black slaves were not citizens.
So Congress got into gear and passed the 14th Amendment.

It guaranteed that freed slaves would have all the privileges of citizenship by providing, quote,
“all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States
and of the state wherein they reside,”
which means
the drafters of the 14th Amendment had no intention of conferring citizenship on the children of aliens who happened to be born here.
In fact, the very author of the citizenship cause, Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, expressly said…



This is why the original intent of founding documents is so important.
Quote, “This,” meaning the 14th Amendment…

“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers…”
It was expressly intended to confer citizenship to slaves and their descendants.
There was an 1884 case, Elk v. Wilkins.
The Supreme Court ruled the 14th Amendment did not even confer citizenship on Native Americans
because they were subject to tribal jurisdiction, not U.S. jurisdiction.

Well, an illegal alien here is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction.
They’re under the jurisdiction of where they came from if they’re here illegally.
Guess when this all changed ?
In the 1960s !
Concomitant with Senator Kennedy wanting to reopen…
We had shut down all immigration from ’21 to ’65.
Along comes Senator Kennedy in the pre-Chappaquiddick days wanting to reopen it
for the express purpose of
making sure the Democrat Party always had a permanent underclass of voters dependent on them and the government.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: And, by the way, and even according to our leftist brothers and sisters at NPR report
no nation in Europe confers birthright citizenship.
Liberals love to say we should emulate Europe, right ?
Okay !

BREAK TRANSCRIPT ...

[Lurkinanloomin]

The 14th was never intended to apply to foreigners.
Any foreigners.
The Supreme Court stretched it to cover the children of foreigners here legally in Wong Kim Ark, but did not extend it to illegal aliens.
That was done administratively sometime in the 1960’s.
An executive order can remedy that.

Children of foreign nationals inherit the nationality(ies) of their foreign national parent(s).

That’s why the children of foreign nationals are NOT natural born citizens.

That’s also how Ted Cruz acquired US citizenship being born in Canada. A citizen, but not a natural born citizen.

[DesertRhino]

Well, for starters, the jackass is not an attorney, much less a constitutional attorney.

[Kay]

Thanks!

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Ryan’s been wrong on most things, esp. thinking he was a capable leader.

He will not be missed.

[Glad2bnuts]

Bookmarked, one of the better threads on this august web form.

[FreeReign]

Ryan is worse than mcgoo...not by much.

[faithhopecharity]

the 14th amendment definitely does NOT create “birthright citizenship!!!!!” Absolutely not, indeed the authors of the 14th wrote it extremely carefully to specifically prevent it from doing that!

Mr. Ryan, please review your Constitutional Law class notes

thank you!

[Bullish]

Big govt. Open borders, amnesty loving, globalist liberal Paul Ryan.

I couldn’t care less what he thinks about anything.

[ConservativeMind]

But Mark, Paulie is your butt buddy.

You don’t dis your RINO butt buddy.

[BigSkyFreeper]

They’re not slaves, they’re criminal aliens. Big difference.

[ifinnegan]

Ryan says what he thinks is expedient and he’s living in the past.

[Kahuna]

Paul Ryan is dead to me.

[Tennessee Nana]

Thank you Mark...

I’m a naturalized American citizen and a veteran...I know what it takes to immigrate and to become an American citizen...

I also know the love of country involved to serve in our military...

none of these attributes are in the hearts and minds of illegal aliens ...they don’t came here to serve our country but to demand and take benefits which should go to disabled veterans and other American citizens...

“subject to the jurisdiction thereof’ also means to me to be willing to respect and obey our country’s immigration laws...illegal aliens come here with no intention to do so...in fact its a cute game they play to see just how much they can get away with...

BTW they video of the aggressive hordes in the so called caravan reminds me of watching the TV in Sept 2015 of the Moslems marching through Europe...same young military aged men same destruction and attacks on local LE and immigration officials at the borders...

[Tennessee Nana]

PING

[semimojo]

This will not of course include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens … but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship.

Classic Levin. When he omits the part of the quote that guts his argument - "...who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States..." you know he has nothing but bluster.

[lizma2]

bkmk

[trebb]

And that is a huge part of the problem - lawmakers who haven’t a clue what the Constitution means.

[grania]

Will Paul Ryan and John McCain be acknowledged in history books (if civilization survives and if there are history books) as two of the most notorious traitors of all time?

McCain was mentally sick, I get that. But Paul Ryan? Whatever motivates him to be so despicable?