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How Trump's tax cuts hurt the GOP in America's wealthy suburbs
Yahoo Finance ^ | November 13th, 2018 | Brian Cheung

Posted on 11/13/2018 1:51:18 PM PST by Mariner

Republicans are losing their hold on upper-middle-class suburbs, and the tax reform bill may be to blame.

Although a number of races are still too close to call, Democrats have taken 30 seats so far — more than the 23 GOP districts they needed to seize control of the House of Representatives. In swing districts across the country, new Democratic challengers vowed to defy the Trump administration while Republican incumbents touted the benefits of tax reform and a booming economy.

But the GOP’s tax reform bill may have disenfranchised fiscal conservatives in higher-income areas, since the Trump tax cuts capped the amount of deductions that Americans can claim on state and local taxes — abbreviated as SALT — to $10,000. For homeowners facing high property taxes, itemizing their taxes offered more deductions than the standard provision of $12,000.

Voters in those districts may have had this in mind when they hit the polls in the midterms. Among the top 25 congressional districts ranked by uptake of SALT deductions, nine are controlled by Republicans in the current Congress.

Six of them flipped blue in the November 6 elections, and one – California’s 45th district – is too close to call.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
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To: MNJohnnie

It is if you want them to vote for you.


21 posted on 11/13/2018 2:09:39 PM PST by cableguymn (We need a redneck in the white house....)
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To: noiseman

There is a difference between the rightness/wrongness of capping SALT with the actual political effect of flipping red districts blue.

Capping SALT probably hurt Republicans in high tax blue states; that’s the breaks and part of the price of Trump’s tax reform.


22 posted on 11/13/2018 2:10:44 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca. Deport all illegals. Abolish the DEA, IRS and ATF,.)
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To: noiseman

Anyone who is upset about the new SALT limit needs to quit whining and start putting pressure on their local officials to reduce taxes and spending. If that happens, it would be a great outcome from this very wise provision of the new tax code.


Here in socialist Washington state there is little hope of putting pressure on our socialist legislators. I will be hurt a lot by the decreased property tax and interest deduction but on the other hand I have made money in the market. That is likely the case with most folks with large property taxes as well. Most people who pay for large expensive homes are not putting all their eggs in one basket, I would think.


23 posted on 11/13/2018 2:10:49 PM PST by angry elephant (My MAGA cap is from a rally in Washingon state in May 2016)
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To: RedStateRocker
”Capping SALT probably hurt Republicans in high tax blue states; that’s the breaks and part of the price of Trump’s tax reform.”

Yep, I get that. However, I think the SALT cap was the right thing to do in the long run, and it should eventually redirect pressure back towards local officials once people start to figure it out. Like everything else these days, though, people figuring it out will depend largely upon the ability of the Right to penetrate the propaganda of the Left and its media arm.

24 posted on 11/13/2018 2:13:31 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.`)
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To: cableguymn

If suburban females like illegals and section 8 housing, we lost that demographic. Maybe it’s time to concentrate on disenfranchised white males?


25 posted on 11/13/2018 2:13:51 PM PST by JonPreston
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“Why should the rest of us be forced to subsidize people with big, expensive homes who choose to live in high-tax Democrat areas?”

You are not subsidizing them.

They subsidize you and your state.

I know in the case of NJ and CA, they pay far more in Federal taxes than they receive in Federal expenditures.

What is your state? I’ll tell you where it fits in that continuum.


26 posted on 11/13/2018 2:15:00 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: MNJohnnie

Raising ANYONE’S taxes is always a bad idea.


27 posted on 11/13/2018 2:15:58 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Utter nonsense and blather


28 posted on 11/13/2018 2:16:29 PM PST by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

There are small homes in marginal neighborhoods a few miles from me. The homes are worth maybe 325k and they pay 15k annual property taxes. Bad school districts, too

Much higher taxes where i live. A 1600 sq
Ft house is not big. SALT hurt a lot of people and the whole place went democratic in the election last week. Great schools but everyone is selling when the last kid graduated from high school.


29 posted on 11/13/2018 2:19:13 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: faithhopecharity
I downloaded the draft IRS tax forms and tables to see if my laziness in not changing my W-4 will cost me in April. Turns out I will owe about $800 which is typical for the last few years. Still out of the penalty range and no more messing with itemizing unless my life changes a lot.

The tax form looked a lot smaller with many of the lines on the bottom half of the front of the 1040 moved to a separate schudule.

30 posted on 11/13/2018 2:21:56 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Leave the job, leave the clearance. It should be the same rule for the Swamp as for everyone else.)
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To: Mariner
How Trump's tax cuts hurt the GOP in America's wealthy suburbs

Many wealthy suburbanites are required to pay the AMT tax, which means that you don't get to take a property tax deduction.

So I don't think Trump's tax cut was that much of a factor.

31 posted on 11/13/2018 2:24:52 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Then dont complain when the east andvwest coasters move to your state and change the dynamics. They are only moving to escape high taxes not cause they love your state

Housing prices are out of control in some places. See Dr. Frauds crummy house worth 2 to 3 million.


32 posted on 11/13/2018 2:25:10 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: Vigilanteman

In the 1950s, the maximum income tax rate was 90%.


33 posted on 11/13/2018 2:27:51 PM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Gone but not forgiven.)
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To: FreeReign

Amt hurt the middle class too. You still got to deduct but the deduction was reduced
Husband is a tax accountant.


34 posted on 11/13/2018 2:28:24 PM PST by gcparent (Justice Brett Kavanaugh)
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To: FreeReign

It’s the upper middle class in suburbia, those between $120k and $170k with $20k+ in deductions that got hurt.

I know that if my income and deductions remain static, I’ll pay an additional $3,000+ this year.

The wealthy and those below $120k did fine with a few exceptions.


35 posted on 11/13/2018 2:31:03 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: All

Not just “SALT” that is a problem...my elderly mother is likely to take a tax hit from the elimination of personal exemptions...she has massive medical expenses (hubby in a nursing home & LTC insurance covering less than 1/2 the monthly bill) so the doubling of the standard deduction doesn’t help her. Haven’t done a “preliminary” tax return for her yet (no TurboTax yet, etc.) so have yet to confirm.


36 posted on 11/13/2018 2:32:27 PM PST by Drago
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To: gcparent

I am to the right of Atilla the Hun, but have always thought that the deduction on home interest and property tax was unjust. The poor typically rent and get nothing from it. The wealthy have expensive, appreciating homes and benefit immensely. This deduction contributes relentlessly to inequality.


37 posted on 11/13/2018 2:38:21 PM PST by Stevenfo
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To: JonPreston

“Maybe it’s time to concentrate on disenfranchised white males?”

White males - straight white males - are the new N word.

Soon to be the new Jew (as in Germany, circa 1936).


38 posted on 11/13/2018 2:38:56 PM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (You may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you...)
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To: Mariner
I know in the case of NJ and CA, they pay far more in Federal taxes than they receive in Federal expenditures.

I've seen that reported all over the place here in New Jersey and posted here on FR, but I don't think it's as clear-cut as you might think.

I suspect most of the published reports on this issue overlook a huge factor that nobody seems to mention: Social Security and Medicare. In many cases, a state shows a huge "deficit of taxes/revenues" with the Federal government simply because of the migration of people during their lives. In New Jersey, for example, taxpayers work here and earn a lot of money. Not only are they paying in higher income tax brackets (which explains part of the imbalance), but they (and their employers) are paying FICA and Medicare taxes as well that are paid into the Federal treasury.

But New Jersey is one of the worst places to live as a retiree, so many of these same people will move somewhere else when they retire -- taking their Social Security and Medicare benefits with them.

The bottom line is: the Social Security and Medicare benefits go wherever the retiree goes, so this imbalance should be stripped out of the equation when calculating taxes paid vs. Federal spending at the state level.

39 posted on 11/13/2018 2:42:09 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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To: Stevenfo

I agree with you. The mortgage interest deduction is nothing more than a subsidy for real estate brokers and the mortgage banking industry.


40 posted on 11/13/2018 2:43:28 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("The Russians escaped while we weren't watching them ... like Russians will.")
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