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A Famous Science Fiction Writer's Descent Into Libertarian Madness (Robert Heinlein)
The New Republic ^ | June 8, 2014 | By JEET HEER

Posted on 11/18/2018 6:15:19 PM PST by narses

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To: narses

I don’t like watching explanations of how movie special effects were done, and I don’t like detailed explanations of an authors psyche (I am glad to read he voted for Goldwater). I like Heinlein’s stories, enough said - Fairwitness.


21 posted on 11/18/2018 6:47:04 PM PST by FairWitness (Everything is easy, once you've done it once)
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To: narses

I don’t like watching explanations of how movie special effects were done, and I don’t like detailed explanations of an authors psyche (I am glad to read he voted for Goldwater). I like Heinlein’s stories, enough said - Fairwitness.


22 posted on 11/18/2018 6:47:04 PM PST by FairWitness (Everything is easy, once you've done it once)
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To: MrEdd

Of course. has there even be a movie close to the actual literature?

The only one I know of that was ALMOST PERFECTLY CLOSE and followed the literature was ROAD TO PERDITION with Tom Hanks. Mendez bought the graphic novel and followed the scenes in the movie EXACTLY (almost) as what it shows in the graphic novel. I have a copy and it’s scarily close..


23 posted on 11/18/2018 6:47:05 PM PST by max americana (Fired libtard employees 9 consecutive times at every election since 08'. I hope all liberals die.)
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To: narses

The article’s writer, Jeet Heer, is obviously disliking of Heinlein’s politics and this impairs his ability to comment effectively. Really, the only wonderful pieces of the article are the direct quotes from Heinlein.
Face it Jeet, Heinlein started out as a left wing liberal and decided it was no good for a person or society. When liberalism move even more to the left, he declined to go with it.


24 posted on 11/18/2018 6:52:26 PM PST by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

move=moved


25 posted on 11/18/2018 6:53:21 PM PST by ArtDodger
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To: traderrob6

Mine too.


26 posted on 11/18/2018 6:55:26 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: Magic Fingers

How appropriate— a comic critic “wannabe” trashing an actual writer and visionary.

I will bet a buck that good old Jeet is in tune with the leftist fantasy gynocracy that claims to be the doorkeepers of science fiction.


27 posted on 11/18/2018 6:57:27 PM PST by wjr123
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To: narses

This is a hit piece designed to remove remnants of Heinlein’s influence from leftist literary circles. This “purge trial” will be held for anyone else who straddles two worlds in an attempt to understand social phenomena with their critical faculties intact. Logic alone should decide all things.


28 posted on 11/18/2018 7:03:39 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Bogey78O

Did you even read Starship Troopers? It was a typical Heinlein novel of his middle years that explored a segment of a speculative future society.

It is based upon the middle America values of Missouri and teaches responsibility for ones actions as well as the need for sacrifice in times when the homeland is in peril.

No matter what you soy boys think of it, this is a truer objective than the crazy years (also Heinlein predicted) that you seem to treasure.

The movies were entirely crap and did not, in the least sense, represent what the book was about.


29 posted on 11/18/2018 7:06:21 PM PST by wjr123
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To: narses
reading Time Enough For Love right now
30 posted on 11/18/2018 7:11:46 PM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: narses
We will have a lot of good science fiction/fact stories as we start building space stations and bases on the moon and Mars. I suspect a lot of the first colonies will start out as socialist experiments, but end up as "Lord of the Flies" type dystopian nightmares. We already have an example, the "Biosphere II" experimental laboratory in Arizona that tried to create a viable colony, completely cut off from their surroundings. The people inside Biosphere II ended up splitting into two "tribes" that wouldn't talk to each other.
31 posted on 11/18/2018 7:17:52 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: narses

Jeet Heer is a pompous scumbag maderchood.


32 posted on 11/18/2018 7:18:19 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: narses

The writer seems to think it unnatural that Heinlein and science fiction outgrew the founding era when H. G. Wells’ radical socialism provided the dominant worldview for the genre. Moreover, what the author and other liberals miss as to both American politics and Heinlein is that the New Deal was sold by FDR and the Left as temporary measures necessitated by the unprecedented emergency of the Depression. With WW II won but the Cold War on and the Depression a fading memory, Americans — including Heinlein — naturally shifted Right and back toward traditional American political ideals. Heinlein’s idiosyncratic libertarian individualism was a better fit with American norms than his prior Leftism.


33 posted on 11/18/2018 7:20:02 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: SamAdams76

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbk2C4ZmsE


34 posted on 11/18/2018 7:21:02 PM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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To: wjr123

I read it. Clearly. Are you reaponding to what I quoted from the author?


35 posted on 11/18/2018 7:22:52 PM PST by Bogey78O (So far so good.)
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To: narses
As Heinlein wrote in 1955 to a friend, “I have had a dirty suspicion since I was about six that all consciousness is one and that all the actors I see around me … are myself, at different points in the record’s grooves.”

The Egg

36 posted on 11/18/2018 7:37:14 PM PST by null and void (Those who make change through the vote impossible make changes by force inevitable)
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To: narses

I could not bring myself to actually click on a ‘New Republic’ link as much as I no longer can give a hit to the ‘National Review.’

Heinlein was the one who did not change, and in his own style, he chronicled the insane redefinition of our language and our culture with the advent of commercial network television. Society changed around him, and now he is to be reviled for frankly noticing out loud.


37 posted on 11/18/2018 7:37:16 PM PST by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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To: max americana

There was a SST 3?


38 posted on 11/18/2018 7:38:31 PM PST by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw

Hear hear!

“Why attack Heinlein? Easy. There is no figure in literature more likely to lead a left-leaning Progressive parasite to the conservative side.”


39 posted on 11/18/2018 7:40:24 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: max americana
Of course. has there even be a movie close to the actual literature?

The Pendragon version of H.G. Well's War of the Worlds very closely follows the book.

It's practically unwatchable.

Go figure...

40 posted on 11/18/2018 7:42:15 PM PST by null and void (Those who make change through the vote impossible make changes by force inevitable)
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