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"As production ramps up, and we implement additional cost savings initiatives, we are on track to reduce the cost of the F-35A to $80 million by 2020," said Lockheed F-35 general manager Greg Ulmer earlier this year. "That is equal to or less than legacy aircraft, while providing a major leap in capability."

Who thinks we should be buying F-15s and F-16s and F-18s now?

Really, as good as the F-15c is, and it is an excellent air superiority fighter, who would buy one of them and forgo an F-35A?

Sure we'd like to have a modernized F-22, but that program has not even been proposed.

Yet.

1 posted on 11/23/2018 2:36:09 PM PST by Mariner
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Two fighter wings and only 36 aircraft capable of taxying? I wonder if a modern fighter wing is what used to termed a fighter squadron. In my (old) days one fighter wing had about 72 aircraft.
2 posted on 11/23/2018 2:58:32 PM PST by libertylover (I'm not against immigration; I'm against ILLEGAL immigration.)
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Thanks for the post.
Going waay back to the Bradley IFV, the M1 Abrams, and even the B1B - they were all talked of as boondoggles and a waste of money.
Once fielded they performed pretty darned good. I think we could look back to the F-35 and say the same in ten, twenty years.
3 posted on 11/23/2018 3:02:32 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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Unit cost of an f-15 is around 30 million per jet but that was 20 years ago. A Quarter the price (Roughly!) to an F-35 without factoring inflation. It was Introduced 1976 over 40 years ago and has been retrofitted since.

Unit cost of an F-16 is approaching 20 million (I’m surprised at how cheap they are, but we export these so maybe that’s because replacement orders are cheap) about 1/5th the price of a F-35. But again, the F-16 is a 40 year old platform with lots of retrofits.

F-22s are about 150 million, as per Wikipedia. That’s a lot of money for a fighter platform.

F-35s are around 90-115 million depending on the service variant. They introduce a new level of options because they are a stealthy platform. So I think its worth the investment if not to augment our current military.


4 posted on 11/23/2018 3:03:38 PM PST by Bayard
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5 posted on 11/23/2018 3:03:39 PM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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Obama made sure it will never happen. They destroyed the tooling.


7 posted on 11/23/2018 3:08:58 PM PST by Kozak (DIVERSITY+PROXIMITY=CONFLICT)
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How long were they then grounded for maintenance?

How many didn’t take part? Only 35 airplanes for two wings?? That’s about half.


9 posted on 11/23/2018 3:13:33 PM PST by CodeToad ( Hating on Trump is hating on me and America!.)
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Think of this.....we spend $135 billion a year on illegal immigrants.
10 posted on 11/23/2018 3:15:04 PM PST by blam
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Nice pics, but it says ZIP about their lethality.

Apparently the F-35 can’t dogfight worth a damn, but (supposedly) enemy fighters won’t even be able to get close to ‘em. I have heard that one before. Color me skeptical.


11 posted on 11/23/2018 3:15:51 PM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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“As production ramps up, and we implement additional cost savings initiatives, we are on track to reduce the cost of the F-35A to $80 million by 2020,” said Lockheed F-35 general manager Greg Ulmer earlier this year. “That is equal to or less than legacy aircraft, while providing a major leap in capability.”

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Because , Trump

That the F35 is an outstanding aircraft is not in doubt, the question always was price -performance and if we could afford enough of them to make a difference

At 80 million a ship, the F-35 is a smoking deal

Only Donald Trump could have cut through the Government/LMCO pricing CF and delivered the F35 at an “affordable” (ie originally projected price point).

This is what happens when prices are negotiated by a negotiator acting in the interests of the country as opposed the interests of politicians demanding bribes or demanding contributions to their campaigns or their foundations

15 posted on 11/23/2018 3:26:43 PM PST by rdcbn
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19 posted on 11/23/2018 4:24:07 PM PST by Chode ( WeÂ’re America, Bitch!)
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1. This A/V should not be sold to any foreign government. It entirely too classified and costly to sell and the A/V could fall into the wrong hands..


20 posted on 11/23/2018 4:38:55 PM PST by tallyhoe
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“Who thinks we should be buying F-15s and F-16s and F-18s now?”

Anyone with sense.

The Joint Strike Failure is still a piece of crap that doesn’t work, and it’ll never get even close to $80 million. And as a result, USAF will never get close to buying 2500 of them. They’re just too expensive.


26 posted on 11/23/2018 6:11:18 PM PST by DesScorp
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My Navy son now in flight school just may end up flying one of these puppies....... :-)


27 posted on 11/23/2018 6:13:55 PM PST by Arlis
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F-22, yes.

I say - and have said - the F-35 is the 21st F-111.


32 posted on 11/23/2018 7:45:17 PM PST by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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"...the US military has started to deploy its stealth-enabled F-35 fighter jet."

The U.S. military had them in units a long time ago. Many other countries are using them, too. There are hundreds now, and eventually, there will be thousands.


33 posted on 11/23/2018 8:34:05 PM PST by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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