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Friendly Fire Killed Sheriff's Sergeant At Thousand Oaks, Calif., Shooting Scene
NPR ^ | 12/07/2018

Posted on 12/08/2018 5:47:13 AM PST by BenLurkin

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To: trebb

Do you have Ocasio-Cortez level subpoena power too?

Or are you just threatening endless police harassment because you don’t like what he said?


21 posted on 12/08/2018 8:13:34 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: trebb
"Have a history with law enforcement?"

Grew up in a LEO/USMC family. I know how they USED to be... It's why I have such a deep seated contempt for black-gloved, badge heavy thugs.

You know, like you...

22 posted on 12/08/2018 8:35:19 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: BenLurkin
That bullet was determined by FBI experts to have come from the CHP officer's rifle.

He was using a rifle in a confined space? Was this a dreaded AR he was using?

23 posted on 12/08/2018 9:33:47 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: jonascord

“Grew up in a LEO/USMC family.”

Yeah right.


24 posted on 12/08/2018 9:43:15 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper (Democrats... BETRAYING America since 1828.)
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To: BenLurkin

If any autopsies of the victims show that they died because of police shooting, will that be made public?


25 posted on 12/08/2018 10:04:52 AM PST by doorgunner69
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To: doorgunner69

“He was using a rifle in a confined space? Was this a dreaded AR he was using?”

Probably. It is rare that one sees an LEO deploying a shotgun on any of the myriad of cop shows. Why is that I wonder? The trusty 12 bore is much safer to use at close range due to the risk of overpenetration with rifle rounds. It is unlikely that buckshot would have penetrated that officer’s vest. But of course, an AR-15 looks sexier and shotguns have recoil.


26 posted on 12/08/2018 10:52:30 AM PST by 43north (Its hard to stop a man when he knows he's right and he keeps coming.)
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To: BenLurkin

I believe this happens way more than the cops admit.


27 posted on 12/08/2018 11:25:58 AM PST by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: Mr.Unique

and...I put all of the blame on the fool that started the shooting, not the cops.


28 posted on 12/08/2018 11:27:57 AM PST by Mr.Unique (The government, by its very nature, cannot give except what it first takes.)
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To: Openurmind

Good point! Although LEO should be using hollows to hopefully mitigate that. But this was too close to stop at first impact even for a HP.


29 posted on 12/08/2018 11:28:13 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: BenLurkin

For what it is worth, cop friends from the area are saying the suspect monitored the officers approach on CCTV. He ambushed them hitting the sergeant 5 times. The sergeant went down and the CHP officer engaged the suspect. The sergeant tried to engage as well, but unfortunately got up directly in the line of fire of the CHP officer.


30 posted on 12/08/2018 1:46:28 PM PST by Yogafist
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To: BenLurkin

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/report-that-friendly-fire-killed-sergeant-adds-another-layer-of-tragedy-to-thousand-oaks-shooting/ar-BBQFeQ3?ocid=spartanntp

To me, the key takeaway was:

“Both Sgt. Helus and the CHP officer knowingly and willingly went into what can only be described as a combat situation, risking their own lives to save many others,” Ayub said. “It is a fact that many lives were saved that night.”

Long did not fire any more bullets after his exchange with the officers, other than one that he used to take his own life. He was later found inside the bar with a single gunshot wound to the head, which an autopsy confirmed he fired himself.


31 posted on 12/08/2018 1:57:31 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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A heavy burden to bear for the CHP officer.


It is. But their action stopped the shootings. According to the report, after that exchange/confrontation, the only shot fired was the murderer offing himself.


32 posted on 12/08/2018 1:59:57 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Balding_Eagle

So sad - coming to the “rescue” of a twit who won’t defend himself because he knows what he said was crap....I guess I invaded your safe space before too, else you would have picked a better/smarter venue to jump in.


33 posted on 12/09/2018 2:00:09 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: jonascord

I don’t know, you seem pretty willing to condemn w/o any sort of proof....just a general story that had no scenarios....except that there were a LOT of slugs flying around and it was chaotic as hell or he wouldn’t have had all the other wounds...I thought that was the definition of black-gloved, badge heavy thugs.


34 posted on 12/09/2018 2:02:54 AM PST by trebb (Those who don't donate anything tend to be empty gasbags...no-value-added types)
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To: marktwain

My first thought as well. That poor CHP Officer.

My second thought was, why did the doctors have to announce that all 5 of the shots by the murderer would not have killed him? How is that important for the public to know? Why couldn’t everyone have just known that he sustained 6 shots one of which happened to be friendly fire?


35 posted on 12/09/2018 2:05:59 AM PST by Yaelle
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Yeah, right.

But, then, doggies can't always wind their key up, enough, to walk in and sign on the line for the guy in the pwitty boo uniform...

36 posted on 12/09/2018 3:51:21 AM PST by jonascord (First rule of the Dunning-Kruger Club is that you do not know you are in the Dunning-Kruger club.)
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To: Yaelle
Why couldn’t everyone have just known that he sustained 6 shots one of which happened to be friendly fire?

It probably happens a lot more than we know, and people do just as you say.

I was astonished to learn how many of our casualties in WWII were from friendly fire. 21 percent is claimed. In Vietnam, they say it was 39 percent. Our FF casualties in Vietnam were so much higher, because we outmatched the enemy in firepower by such a large amount.

37 posted on 12/09/2018 7:26:18 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: trebb

You forgot to threaten me too.


38 posted on 12/09/2018 7:56:27 AM PST by Balding_Eagle ( The Great Wall of Trump ---- 100% sealing of the border. Coming soon.)
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To: marktwain

I was at a sporting event where the family of the deputy was honored and they look like good people, suffering in their loss, of course. I just don’t see how they are helped to know a really uncomfortable fact. He sustained 6 bullets, one happened to be friendly fire, 5 from the killer. Why the hell do those grief stricken loved ones need to know which bullet he could never have survived? Why do they have know that we, the public, also know that? Talk about a fact that brings nothing good.


39 posted on 12/09/2018 8:52:07 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Talk about a fact that brings nothing good.

Yes. I have refrained from writing wonderful, interesting stories...

Because they had a good chance of harming innocent people.

The truth can very much hurt innocent people.

Not all truth needs to be shouted to everyone.

40 posted on 12/09/2018 8:56:37 AM PST by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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