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To: Winniesboy

I know the 40 bn was not necessarily fines, but that is what it amounts to in some sense. It was shorthand rather than explaining everything you did. I still believe they have quite a bit of leverage in this deal that they have not used. The 40 bn payment for one thing and the fact that the Country of Ireland does not want a ‘hard border’ with Northern Ireland for another.

There are things that they have to negotiate with and I don’t think Theresa May has done a good job in these negotiations. First off, she should have had a list of ‘must haves’ from her Torrie/DUP members that needed to be in the deal before ever going to negotiate. She must have known that the ‘backstop’ part of the deal with Northern Ireland would be a non starter for DUP.


23 posted on 12/11/2018 5:15:50 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
It's a lousy deal, but any negotiated severance deal was always going to be a lousy deal, no matter who was negotiating. Blaming it on May, as so many do, misses the point. You don't get much out of a negotiation if the other party holds all the cards, as was the case with the severance. The UK was asking for a lot but had nothing to offer in return. (It will be a different matter with a trade deal, but those talks haven't even started yet).

The choice was always going to end up between a lousy deal and no deal.

Those calling for May to be tried for treason and the like hysterical nonsense completely misread her character. She's the typical grammar school-educated daughter of a Middle England Anglican clergyman. Takes on any job she finds herself lumbered with and sticks with it stoically. Limited abilities, no imagination, but unimpeachable integrity (at least by politicians' standards.)

24 posted on 12/11/2018 8:13:11 AM PST by Winniesboy
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