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THIS DAY IN HISTORY Secession Addressed by Leader
self | 10/23/2016 | self

Posted on 12/18/2018 8:18:56 AM PST by PeaRidge

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To: Vineyard
Lets see if you judge the people of the 19th century by the standards of the 20th abd 21st century then you will get a very distorted view of history.

“I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races … I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races from living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be a position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”

A. Lincoln

21 posted on 12/18/2018 5:51:32 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Vineyard
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union."

A. Lincoln

22 posted on 12/18/2018 5:58:06 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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A. Lincoln had an evolving interpretation of the issue of slavery. He even thought that the slaves should be freed and shipped back to Africa. BUT - guess what....Lincoln regularly met with Frederick Douglass - who was a regular adviser to the President....and Lincoln ‘evolved’ to understand that the black slaves considered themselves Americans, didn’t want to ‘return to Africa’ - because America was their home...they wanted freedom and a chance for the American dream. Big change in his position from his earlier writings. (Check it out!)


23 posted on 12/18/2018 6:00:35 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: Vineyard
Your ‘early 1861 were suing for peace’ is not realistic.

In the Butchers own words:

"On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, insurgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came."

A. Lincoln.

24 posted on 12/18/2018 6:02:05 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: Vineyard

Oh yeah, he “evolved”. LOL!


25 posted on 12/18/2018 6:02:40 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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To: central_va

YOUR: Oh yeah, he “evolved”. LOL!

Yup....look it up.

Can’t you sense the overall compassion and humanity of Lincoln in his 2nd Inaugural address? I see it there.

BUT - if you are filled with hate with someone who tried to preserve the Union and end slavery ....I guess you will believe what ever helps you justify your opposition to Lincoln and the ending of slavery.


26 posted on 12/18/2018 6:08:51 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: central_va

The union wasn’t a slavocracy - although the southern slavers tried to make it one.


27 posted on 12/18/2018 7:10:59 PM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: Vineyard

CVA - or the little general as some call him, is a blind partisan. He’s sort of funny in a primitive way, but you’ll get no reason out of him.


28 posted on 12/18/2018 7:18:03 PM PST by rockrr ( Everything is different now...)
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To: rockrr

I figured that out...his ‘ID’ on his page is “15th Va. Company C, Patrick Henry Rifles- Men from Hanover County”. This suggests he is really into defending the South ....and is clueless about the impact of slavery on people who were enslaved.

The 15th Va., Company C ...a Confederate Army group....I wonder if he is involved in re-enactments...etc. (If so - maybe he is taking this re-enactment too seriously.) But - out of southern sympathizers - the hatred of Abraham Lincoln is VERY strong - but they seldom have a bad word for the slave masters. It is as bad as leftists who are upset with America’s ‘many sins’ - yet they give Communist Russia and Communist China huge passes.

As I said - 700K dead is huge - but it becomes trivially small compared to the impact of slavery over the centuries before the formation of our country - and the 80+ years after.

I agree with CVA’s idea of not judging people in the 19th century with 21st century morality...but even in the 19th Century - there was a very strong anti-slavery movement as well as many writings on the issue. British Empire ended slavery with the Slavery Abolition Act in 1833....so to say keeping slaves was ‘normal’ in the 19th century is to ignore the societal pressures that were well underway to end this evil institution. And the southerners knew of the pressures to end slavery - and with the election of A.Lincoln, they felt that the nation would end slavery - so they withdrew to PRESERVE slavery.


29 posted on 12/18/2018 8:18:41 PM PST by Vineyard
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To: PeaRidge

Ping


30 posted on 12/19/2018 3:31:46 AM PST by Bull Snipe
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To: Bulwyf
I say again. Look around you.

Yes, you do say that again.

31 posted on 12/19/2018 3:32:18 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: central_va

Sir, name calling and smart ass comments like yours defines “ignorance” on FR. Many Freepers make that complaint all the time as did Jim Robinson only a few days ago. So, if you can’t make an intelligent comment, devoid of insults, please don’t bother to comment on any post of mine in the future and I will do the same for you.


32 posted on 12/19/2018 10:45:31 AM PST by Cen-Tejas
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To: Cen-Tejas
So, if you can’t make an intelligent comment, devoid of insults, please don’t bother to comment on any post of mine in the future and I will do the same for you.

Some think of fact and truth as insults. Weird that.

33 posted on 12/19/2018 10:51:44 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn)
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