"Ret's send honky out foah Egg Fu Yung, fasty fasty chop-chop..! Flee Amelican take-out, heh heh..!
Posted on 12/19/2018 11:25:34 AM PST by gaijin
"Ret's send honky out foah Egg Fu Yung, fasty fasty chop-chop..! Flee Amelican take-out, heh heh..!
Please, it is politically incorrect to speak in such terms because it refers to unclear language in the constitution that the courts have resolved, is divisive, racist, generally makes a lot of people uncomfortable and has no place in today's modern world. (/snort)(/barf)
(Unfortunately, two birthright individuals could marry and locally birth an individual that would be eligible 45 years later, even with solidly anti-American parents and grandparents who were well-connected with a nation antagonistic to the U.S.
And all could remain in, and at the service of their foreign nation except for 14yrs prior to the primaries.)
[So you agree that these Russians are eligible under the Constitution to be President?]
“So, you live here in S.E. Michigan do you?”
Not Exactly, …. I left Michigan in ‘79.
I’m about to start my 40th year in Arizona.
AZ is nothing like it was when I moved out here, and the
rate that things are spiraling down is increasing - extremely- fast. The time for fooling around in the US Congress is OVER with! If all you can do is build a metal wall , then you better have it wired to a 13KV breaker and be ready to activate it on a moment’s notice.
I know you don’t live in Michigan......My comment was made because Russians are flocking to S.E. Michigan too.........Many to the upscale areas of W. Bloomfield and Farmington Hills......
Original intent of the 14th Amendment
Senator Jacob Howard (served on the Senate Joint Committee on Reconstruction, which drafted the 14th) clearly spelled out the intent of the 14th Amendment by stating:
"Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons. It settles the great question of citizenship and removes all doubt as to what persons are or are not citizens of the United States. This has long been a great desideratum in the jurisprudence and legislation of this country."
Sen. Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, author of the Thirteenth Amendment, and the one who inserted the phrase (All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside):
[T]he provision is, that 'all persons born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens.' That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.
Sen. W. Williams:
I understand the words here, 'subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,' to mean fully and completely subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Senator Jacob Howard states the intent of the Fourteenth Amendment published in the Congressional Record May 30, 1866.
https://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llcg&fileName=073/llcg073.db&recNum=11
We have, at a minimum, 3 different Senators who were involved in drafting the 14th Amendment, stating on record in Congress that subject to the jurisdiction can not, does not, apply to foreigners or aliens (even if here legally)
The only thing missing for correcting the wrong introduced in the 1960's, is political will. The will to do the right thing, and return to original intent of thw 14th!.
There are a number of advantages.
Some hope that the baby could be used to secure visas to the US at a later point. Others think the child’s American passport is an advantage for them. If you plan on sending the kid to college in the US, it would be.
The US doesn’t report investment income to other countries; they could set up investments or just bank accounts in the kids’ name and let it grow, and they pay US tax on the income less than they would at home. If their government seizes their assets, it won’t affect assets in an American citizen’s name in the US.
A minor factor is the fact that we allow assisted reproductive technologies other countries don’t, but that wouldn’t require the women to give BIRTH here. But it is a factor in some people choosing an American surrogate mother over one in another country.
All I said was that your interpretation is not shared by the courts thus far. And, for all we know, one of these Russians may make a fine President.
At 18 tax them into penury.
They did in 1875 in Minor vs Happersett
“he Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.”
Clarence Thomas admitted the current Supreme Court ducked Obama’s ineligibility.
>Clarence Thomas admitted the current Supreme Court ducked Obama’s ineligibility.
Oh. Doesn’t sound like its really a thing then.
It’s kind of a big thing when portions of the Constitution are ignored.
You’ll find out one day.
you sound as if you are blaming me for this. I’m not a Supreme Court Justice or even a lawyer.
(I did spend a month at a Holiday Inn back in the 90’s though when I worked at DEC)
Just what we need, a bunch of little Putins running around.
No, just noting your flippant attitude towards the Constitution.
Thank goodness I’m still free to have a flippant attitude about something.
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