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LIVE: House Just Voted for Bill with $5 Billion for Wall!
YouTube Fox News ^ | December 20, 2018 | YouTube

Posted on 12/20/2018 3:04:51 PM PST by JewishRighter

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To: mainerforglobalwarming
"Good points. But I would love to see the President hold an oval office address, with the parents and loved ones killed by illegals. With parents of victims of the drug cartels. He’s asking for 5 billion out of a multi-trillion dollar budget to protect the American people. Put as much pressure on the Senators as possible."

Trump actually did that very thing in June. MSM mostly ignored it but it worked to an extent.

Another way to focus attention would be for Trump to have the GOP re-introduce and quickly pass an updated version of H.R.3004 - "Kate's Law", and stick that to Schumer and the Senate Democrats alongside the debate over the CR. Make the Democrats defend the indefensible.

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." - Alinsky Rule #13

261 posted on 12/21/2018 5:22:35 AM PST by StAnDeliver ("Mueller personally delivered US uranium to Russia.")
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

Is the Sinate going to close down their precious gummit over a measly 5 billion?


262 posted on 12/21/2018 5:22:54 AM PST by bray (Pray for President Trump)
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To: Pinkbell

Can’t pass the Senate, though.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes it can.No Xmas recess if no pass?

Cue the music:

” I’ll be home by Christmas!”


263 posted on 12/21/2018 5:33:24 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: a little elbow grease

Face like a sod plow.

Why do they elect such shriveled minds repeatedly?


264 posted on 12/21/2018 6:05:09 AM PST by Candor7 ((Obama Fascism)http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: a little elbow grease

I agree that this is the most clear and cogent argument I’ve heard yet - I’d love to hear DJT use it word for word.

But...having said that, I think it’s a bit unfair to say that nobody, even POTUS, tells it like it is.

Trump has been perfectly clear and direct all along - he singlehandedly raised up this issue when nobody else would or could. He had said a thousand times that we need a wall - he has insisted upon it every step of the way, despite overwhelming resistance from all corners - despite being mocked for it and called a racist, a xenophobe and much worse.

He has said a thousand times that without borders you don’t have a nation. How much clearer and more direct could one be?

I’ll admit that Trump tends to omit the part of the argument that goes to motive and conspiracy - the fact that the Democrats are purposely seeking to import foriegn votes to displace the votes of American citizens.

He likes to keep his messages short and simple - perhaps there is a good reason for that - perhaps the wonderfully articulate argument referred to above is aimed at a more educated audience and would be “preaching to the choir”. It sounds perfect to those of us who already understand what is going on - but there are so many low information voters out there who would make it only a few words into those paragraphs before succumbing to mental exhaustion - and those are the very voters Trump is trying to reach - not the ones who already voted for him (and surely will again).

My point isn’t to defend Trump’s choice of words. My point is that even if we would ask Trump to adjust his message, we owe him the deepest respect for what he has stood up for on our behalf, at great personal risk and sacrifice.

I do love the way this argument is presented, and I do hope POTUS reads it, and adopts it. Yet, I would hate for him to read the part about how nobody tells it like it is, even DJT! That is just not fair - not after all he’s done, single-handedly, to champion this cause.


265 posted on 12/21/2018 8:01:04 AM PST by enumerated
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To: enumerated
Well said.

And you are right: It would be much more difficult for him to talk of the base motives of the Dems. (a little too direct and honest). He might create even more personal enemies in Congress.

But if a couple of people close to him could pretty much make all the points made in this post, I think the results could be illuminating to many of the voters who are currently not quite seeing reality.

I guess we'll see.

There is little time to save this nation.

We need a hand from above. (jmo)

266 posted on 12/21/2018 8:57:32 AM PST by a little elbow grease (Duct tape and cable ties have more worth than pussy hats and resistance.)
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To: noiseman; a little elbow grease

A great post indeed, thank you for the ping to it, a little elbow grease, and thank you for writing it, noiseman.

We elected and support Trump in large part because he speaks plainly, as most of of us try to do.

This was a cogent, well elucidated description of the issue and how many of us conservatives view it.

Thank you. I will reference it.


267 posted on 12/21/2018 9:03:03 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: noiseman

They want the ability, as in the past, to promise border security while seeking your vote, but to then walk away from enforcement efforts once the election is over.
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This applies equally to Bush League Republicans.
They are even worse because they pretend to be on our side.


268 posted on 12/21/2018 9:59:15 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here of Citizen Parents__Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: rodguy911; noiseman
"Great post long overdue"

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It was GREAT. The post ought to be it's own Vanity thread, and then seen by all voters and especially someone in the White House.

Post # 173 ought to be heard by every citizen of voting age in the country.

269 posted on 12/21/2018 11:22:33 AM PST by a little elbow grease (Duct tape and cable ties have more worth than pussy hats and resistance.)
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To: redshawk
"I heard on fox that bob corker from Ten. Has gone home and will not come back for the senate vote. I hate these worthless bastards."

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Corker has the spine of a sparrow ....

.... and the face of a liar/conman.

270 posted on 12/21/2018 11:33:32 AM PST by a little elbow grease (Duct tape and cable ties have more worth than pussy hats and resistance.)
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To: a little elbow grease
Thanks so much. I didn’t expect my little tirade to get so much attention. It’s just that I am perpetually amazed at the inability of even the Republican hawks on this issue to put together a clear statement of what is actually happening. The dems are obviously intentionally undermining our security for their own selfish benefit, and no one seems able or willing to call them out on it. The Chamber of Commerce RINOs should be called out as well, for essentially sacrificing our security so that their donors can import near-slave labor. However, I reserve a deeper level of anger for the dems, as what they are doing is designed, if successful, to undermine the very foundations of our Constitutional Republic. The RINOs are looking the other way, ignoring the law, to benefit their sugar daddies, but the dems are trying to use illegals as the vanguard of a Marxist takeover and remaking of our country. Both are bad, but the latter is far worse.

I’m just so sick of hearing Republicans talking about “my fine colleague across the aisle”, or reflexively agreeing with the absurd statement that “we are a nation of immigrants”, while their “fine colleagues” are doing nothing less than trying to turn this country into a socialist/Marxist hellhole.

Of all of the words I’ve written, what is most vital to get across to people is that the democrats are INTENTIONALLY trying to undermine our country. They’re not just making “mistakes” once in a while (which is usually what they say when caught); they are consciously plotting to overwhelm the American citizenry with a tidal wave of people who share none of our values, traditions, language, or objectives. That is precisely why Obama ushered the illegal hordes into the country and then covertly and systematically dispersed them to every state, often without the knowledge of any of the local or state elected officials. It’s a COORDINATED PLAN, intended to first dilute our electoral voice and then finally to overwhelm it.

Thank God we have Trump, but he has got to start calling this what it is, and he has to forget any notion of compromising with these traitors. We’re essentially in a Cold War within our own country, except that only one side appears to know that it’s at war.

271 posted on 12/21/2018 2:23:25 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.`)
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To: noiseman
Why must the President do all of the heavy lifting? This Wall is in the hands of the Senate now, and so a Senator should give that speech. I know just the right Senator:


272 posted on 12/21/2018 2:23:46 PM PST by StAnDeliver ("Mueller personally delivered US uranium to Russia.")
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To: StAnDeliver
”Why must the President do all of the heavy lifting? This Wall is in the hands of the Senate now, and so a Senator should give that speech. I know just the right Senator:”

Ted Cruz is great at “speechifying”, but he can’t command one one-thousandth the attention that Trump can. Also, this is about FAR more than just the current battle over the wall; the people of this country need to be told in no uncertain terms that one political party is now effectively at war with the American populace, and will gladly sacrifice citizens to the “immigrant” wolves in order to guarantee themselves permanent ruling status (and I do mean “ruling”).

Dem actions on border security and voter integrity make ZERO sense (pun intended) unless they are doing exactly what I assert above. From doing everything within their power to thwart any real border enforcement, to sanctuary city policies, to Obama actually soliciting illegal alien border crossers and secretly dispersing them to every state, to opposing any and every effort to ensure that only American citizens vote, dems cannot defend their actions. And the proof of their nefarious intent is that when opposed, they either offer no explanation for their position or present at best an absurd justification (ala “it’s racist to expect minorities to show ID to vote”).

Dems are extremely vulnerable on this issue, if only someone will just unapologetically and relentlessly hammer them with the truth and not let up until they have been pounded into dust.

273 posted on 12/21/2018 3:14:12 PM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.`)
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To: a little elbow grease

As I said, I agree that it would be good if Trump added this to his message.

I just need to distance myself from any suggestion that Trump has failed to be clear and direct regarding the border issue. Anyone that can find fault with Trump on borders and walls is sick in the head.

If you want Trump to add something to his rhetoric, fine - make a suggestion, but do it with respect - don’t insult him in the process by saying essentially, “nobody says what needs to be said, not even DJT”.

That would be like telling General Patton to man up. LOL.


274 posted on 12/21/2018 7:23:52 PM PST by enumerated
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To: enumerated
"If you want Trump to add something to his rhetoric, fine - make a suggestion, but do it with respect - don’t insult him in the process by saying essentially, “nobody says what needs to be said, not even DJT”.

That would be like telling General Patton to man up. LOL."

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Yes, yes. I understand completely. You are very correct ..... and funny (That would be like telling General Patton to man up.) .

275 posted on 12/21/2018 7:36:42 PM PST by a little elbow grease (Duct tape and cable ties have more worth than pussy hats and resistance.)
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To: a little elbow grease

just another corrupt politician,dc is full of them....


276 posted on 12/22/2018 4:01:08 AM PST by rodguy911 (Maga: USA supports Trump. Home of the Free because of the brave.)
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To: noiseman
Ted Cruz is great at “speechifying”, but he can’t command one one-thousandth the attention that Trump can.

and his wife is CFR so give me DJT any ol' day

277 posted on 12/22/2018 4:02:22 AM PST by rodguy911 (Maga: USA supports Trump. Home of the Free because of the brave.)
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To: noiseman; All

What I don’t understand is that if what you say about Obama is true, then why did he remove a much higher number of illegals than other recent presidents.


278 posted on 12/22/2018 9:49:57 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: caww; All

Trump is in a bind. He has promised his low information voters a wall. While there are areas where that is useful, it does not affect the problem that at border crossings only one in five cars is searched, or that significant amounts of drugs and possibly people are entering the US through tunnels. The Wall won’t fix those problems. If he has not already done so then he needs to educate himself and his voters about the complexity of the problem. Yes, short answers are easy, but this issue is beyond the easy fix.


279 posted on 12/23/2018 10:32:42 AM PST by gleeaikin
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