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On Gun Confiscation: "Here's How It Might Actually Go Down"
Organic prepper ^ | 22DEC18 | Selco via Daisy Luther's Organic prepper

Posted on 12/23/2018 2:00:52 AM PST by vannrox

After reading a couple of articles about magazines/weapon news from New Jersey – actually, after reading a lot of comments from people on that news-  I have the urge to write this article. It is written from the survivalist point of view. There is, of course, the possible danger to get comments like “What the hell do you know Selco? You are not American, shut up!” Because I am going to be “poking” a few sacred cows here.

So…

Right now, this is not the rise of communism.

“Stalin is coming.”

I do not think this all news is about “rise of communism” in the US, and also I do think that you still live in a land with a lot of great rights and liberties, which is very cool.

What is not cool is the fact that you are moving in the direction of slowly “shrinking” of those rights. But it is still very far away from a “communistic evil empire”, so I do not see sense in having big headlines about Nazis and such other than scaring people for whatever reason.

Weapon rights and the government

I see here something which is much more dangerous than the fear of communism.

It is how people react to news or new laws about any weapon limitation. It’s how they talk about what the majority of them are planning to do.

Government at its core has the urge to control people in whatever way they can.  If you are more armed that means you are less controllable.

But if you are acting in a way that you are screaming from the rooftops how you “will defend your right to have (whatever) weapon (contrary) to the newest law” and how you’ll “be proud to own i, and to show it”  you eventually are not doing yourself any favors.

Do you really think that when the time comes that the government will send two pale clerks to search your home looking for whatever weapon?

Nope.

Here’s how confiscation might actually go down.

Here is how it might actually go down. This is one possible scenario:

First, you’ll be labeled as a terrorist, some weird guy who wants to overthrow the government. Maybe your photo will be posted somewhere stating that you are very sick, and that you pose a danger to society.

If you are a member of some group, let’s say a prepper group, you all will be labeled as terrorists first, and through the media, you can be portrayed as a domestic terror cell, to the point that your next door neighbor will help police to get you.

Do not underestimate the power of the government machine. You may truly be a fighter for constitutional rights and a real patriot, but in 3 days you can become a crazy terrorist that citizens will actually hunt down and shoot like a mad dog.

The point here is there is no point of publicly “yelling” about what you own and what are your rights to own.

Of course, you need to own weapons that you think it makes sense to own.

But why does everybody else need to know that, including government and government services?

The 2nd Amendment

The 2nd Amendment is very cool, and I like it very much, but here is the ugly truth:

It works only if the government wants it to work.

One day, when the government does not want it to work anymore it will be out of order, illegal, or even terrorist to practice it.

Sorry, it is not your inalienable right. The government lets you THINK  it is your inalienable right.

Actually, you do need to protect that right. You need to defend it.

But again not in a way that you gonna portray yourself as a terrorist. I mean, I will own what I want to own, and only I am gonna know that untill the day when I need it very badly.

Owning weapons

There used to be a law about weapons here, where I live, before the war. And yes, you could own a weapon but it was such a hard law that actually not too many people owned legal weapons.

And right when the SHTthe F, first thing that happened was the confiscation of legal weapons, based on lists of who own legal weapons.

Now what people could do then was to say, “This is my legal weapon. I have a right to own it, by the law.” And those who did that usually got shot.

There were 20 heavily armed guys at your door asking nicely for your weapon, to be turned over to them in the name of “law” as an effort of a government that wanted to calm down a chaotic situation.

Sometimes if you said no, those guys would simply destroy the whole house with RPGs and bombs.

And guess what that meant?

Folks who owned legal weapon lost them even before the big SHTF. And a lot of guys who owned them in an illegal way hidden somewhere still own them when SHTF.

Illegal and legal have different meanings in different times and based who says those words, so think about it.

I am not saying that it will go like that there where you are. What I do say is you that you need to think a bit outside the box when it comes to owning things.

My thoughts on this

For many years I found it ridiculous not to have an illegal (not traceable) weapon stored somewhere safe for the bad times.

When SHTF and when (if) guys show up on my doorstep to confiscate my weapon what will I do?

I will give them the weapon that they know about. What else I should do?

Practice my rights?

Nope.

I have more of that stuff. It’s not worth it to fight over the one they know about.

What could be coming for the future?

Again I do not really see the government taking away all rights of owning a weapon as a possibility there. The tradition of firearms is simply way too big, and also the number of weapons is too big, too.

But what is possible is the rapid shrinking of that right through some big event, in an effort of getting things back to normal.

When something big happens and there is big fear and terror, people are ready to “give away” a lot of rights and liberties in exchange for the feeling of safety and security. This is wrong of course but it is how things work.

So actually you never know, anything is possible.

One bad side of having rights and freedoms for a long time (in owning weapon) is thinking it is always gonna be like that.

Or thinking it must be like that.

The “good side” of not having good gun rights is having a tradition of having ALWAYS hidden somewhere an illegal weapon. Always.

And only you know about it and maybe your family.

There is no need to brag about that anywhere else.


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To: vannrox

Over 150,000,000 Americans have guns behind locked doors.

If the government ever chose to take those guns by force, a shooting war would erupt and we’d soon be forming a new government.


21 posted on 12/23/2018 5:05:27 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: vannrox

In my family, the men and women carry. The trend in America is towards constitutional carry and ownership and use. The author is missing these key points, and more. The occurance of wild animal attacks is up in america, more people carry for self defense than ever. Firearms confiscation will never occur in America.


22 posted on 12/23/2018 5:12:57 AM PST by exnavy
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To: vannrox

23 posted on 12/23/2018 5:15:04 AM PST by OttawaFreeper ("The Gardens was founded by men-sportsmen-who fought for their country" Conn Smythe, 1966)
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To: riverrunner
"Every gun owner should read Unintended Consequences by John Ross if they ever think they might be involve in defending their 2nd amendment rights."

Yes....Great book. I read it twice. If anyone wants to look it up and buy it, be prepared for the price! It has been out of print for some time and the last time I looked for a friend a used copy was going for over $200.00! After that experience I put my copy with my guns in the sfae.

24 posted on 12/23/2018 5:23:06 AM PST by mosaicwolf
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To: mrmeyer

Actually, those twenty guys will be using a no-knock warrant and kicking your door down, and shooting your dog first, before they shoot you. They are not going to ask nicely.

If you survive... you can ask for a copy of their warrant.


25 posted on 12/23/2018 5:29:49 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Life is about ass, you're either covering, hauling, laughing, kicking, kissing, or behaving like one)
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To: mosaicwolf

See comment 14. Free download.


26 posted on 12/23/2018 5:31:50 AM PST by New Jersey Realist ( (Be Nice To Your Kids. They Will Pick Out Your Nursing Home))
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To: Candor7; vannrox

Okay,
My Beeber is Stunned from
Reading the article,,,

My first mistake.

I’m going to make Coveffe now.

Thanks for Posting.


27 posted on 12/23/2018 5:36:32 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: familyop
That was very well considered and well written with future possibilities for any nation in mind.

Any nation except the U.S.

We own more guns per capita, by far, than any other populace on the planet.

Gun ownership is woven into the fabric of our national identity and history.

Our right as citizens to possess arms is clearly stated in our nation's founding charter.

The idea that our guns are the foundational guarantor of our liberty, is hard wired into our national consciousness.

We are a peaceful people, but are distrustful of government, and easily roused to anger when our government threatens our God-given rights.

For all these reasons, you will never see wholesale gun confiscation in America.

28 posted on 12/23/2018 5:42:00 AM PST by Windflier (Pitchforks and torches ripen on the vine. Left too long, they become black rifles.)
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To: riverrunner

Excellent book. Read it 2 years ago.I’m reading it again for 2nd time.


29 posted on 12/23/2018 5:49:10 AM PST by nanook (Thomas Jefferson was right.)
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To: Windflier

Agreed.


30 posted on 12/23/2018 5:58:07 AM PST by Big Red Badger (Despised by the Despicable!)
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To: vannrox

Suppositional. Selco brings a fresh look to our situation, but does not complete the story. If confiscation takes place, I believe it will be isolated pockets deep in liberal territories.


31 posted on 12/23/2018 6:02:25 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Q is the new V)
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To: Uncle Miltie

..i have an odd habit of writing down license plate numbers of people with commie stickers on them....just sayin’


32 posted on 12/23/2018 6:03:48 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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To: vannrox

It may not be Communism, or even particularly “progressive”, but gun confiscation is the first step to some kind of “command-and-control” type of ideology, and totally antithetical to any version of freedom and personal liberty.

“Surrender, Dorothy!”

Between the Wicked Witch and the Wizard, Oz was anything but a representative republic.


33 posted on 12/23/2018 6:05:18 AM PST by alloysteel (Man does not live by bread alone. He needs chocolate cake too.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yep, EVERY fed employee or state if the driver, targets.


34 posted on 12/23/2018 6:18:09 AM PST by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Nifster

You are quite right. And the OP is not news. It’s someone pimping for clickbait.


35 posted on 12/23/2018 6:18:21 AM PST by LouAvul (The most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will.)
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To: vannrox

Bttt


36 posted on 12/23/2018 6:20:24 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: VRW Conspirator
If confiscation takes place, I believe it will be isolated pockets deep in liberal territories.

Welcome to the party pal. Inlaws fled CA for ID. We counted FIL's gun collection that escaped CA. He, theoretically would have spent 1000 years in CA state prison.

NY, NJ, and IL just as bad.

37 posted on 12/23/2018 6:22:15 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Quit calling them liberals, progs, socialists, or democrats. Call them what they are: COMMUNISTS!!!!)
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To: vannrox

For later.

L


38 posted on 12/23/2018 6:25:59 AM PST by Lurker (President Trump isn't our last chance. President Trump is THEIR last chance.)
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To: Ouderkirk

They don’t have enough men to break down every door at once and as they begin they will reap the unintended consequences of their actions


39 posted on 12/23/2018 6:26:13 AM PST by mrmeyer (You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him. Robert Heinlein)
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To: Nifster

As a non-citizen of the US the author doesn’t get it. A co-worker from Romania does not understand why Americans won’t give up a little freedom for “a little less crime”.

Try as I may I could not help him to understand.


40 posted on 12/23/2018 6:31:13 AM PST by CheneyClone
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